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Old 11-27-2012, 01:41 PM
 
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It's a question of probabilities. Teens must not only be in possession of the facts (e.g., pre-marital sex is wrong) and agree with the facts, but must also be formed by good influences, know how to set boundaries, be practiced at self-control in other areas of life, and most importantly, keep good company.
It be your *opinion* that pre-marital sex is wrong, but many MANY people don't agree with you, and an abstinence-only approach does NOT work. Resources such as the "morning after pill" are important for teenagers to know about.

 
Old 11-27-2012, 01:58 PM
 
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It be your *opinion* that pre-marital sex is wrong, but many MANY people don't agree with you, and an abstinence-only approach does NOT work. Resources such as the "morning after pill" are important for teenagers to know about.
This is a very interesting point. My husband and I were talking about this last night. The biblical morality of what we consider to be extremist christians. When I was growing up, I was raised Roman Catholic, and at that time Roman Catholics were not considered among the more bible thumpy christians (though that seems to be changing a bit with the new pope). Anyway, we were talking about what the correct action is BASED on the immorality of certain things which is a different spin than what you are saying.

You assert that it is important for teenagers to know about these things. And I agree REGARDLESS of your view of the morality of ore-marital sex. The education I got from the Catholic school was not to hide the truth about birth control or biology as I see being prevalent among today's christians, but to educate about the truth without the assumption that knowledge would result in immoral action. The immorality is not in KNOWING about pre-marital sex and its details but in choosing to DO it.

So in either case, knowledge remains a good idea.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 02:09 PM
 
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This is a very interesting point. My husband and I were talking about this last night. The biblical morality of what we consider to be extremist christians. When I was growing up, I was raised Roman Catholic, and at that time Roman Catholics were not considered among the more bible thumpy christians (though that seems to be changing a bit with the new pope). Anyway, we were talking about what the correct action is BASED on the immorality of certain things which is a different spin than what you are saying.

You assert that it is important for teenagers to know about these things. And I agree REGARDLESS of your view of the morality of ore-marital sex. The education I got from the Catholic school was not to hide the truth about birth control or biology as I see being prevalent among today's christians, but to educate about the truth without the assumption that knowledge would result in immoral action. The immorality is not in KNOWING about pre-marital sex and its details but in choosing to DO it.

So in either case, knowledge remains a good idea.
Well, sure, teens should know these things exist. My oldest teens are researching and writing papers about them. But they are getting the whole truth about contraception - the physical, biological, social, and moral truth - not the "if you're going to have sex anyway, just use these" message.

And they are not having sex with anyone. How do I know? I know because I can trust my children.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 02:13 PM
 
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Well, sure, teens should know these things exist. My oldest teens are researching and writing papers about them. But they are getting the whole truth about contraception - the physical, biological, social, and moral truth - not the "if you're going to have sex anyway, just use these" message.
I don't see anyone on here advocating that message. The whole truth is critical about ANY education.

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And they are not having sex with anyone. How do I know? I know because I can trust my children.
My question is why do you care. But that is a different matter.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 02:15 PM
 
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It be your *opinion* that pre-marital sex is wrong, but many MANY people don't agree with you, and an abstinence-only approach does NOT work. Resources such as the "morning after pill" are important for teenagers to know about.
The abstinence-before-marriage approach DOES work if implemented in a supportive environment. The effect of plopping abstinence ed down in the midst of your typical public high school, while changing nothing else, is obviously going to be minimal.

The "morning after pill" is a death pill, not a "resource". By all means, teens should know this.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 02:22 PM
 
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Ok so what happens after the poorly sex educated kids get married?
Is the idea that you're married so birth control is pointless? You're married so it's ok to keep popping out babies?

Why not teach your daughters about birth control and that it is important even if you are married...
 
Old 11-27-2012, 02:25 PM
 
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I don't see anyone on here advocating that message.
Are you blind? Practically everyone in this thread, beginning with the OP, is advocating that message.

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The whole truth is critical about ANY education.
Then you will have no problem with educating teens about the immorality of contraception.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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The abstinence-before-marriage approach DOES work if implemented in a supportive environment. The effect of plopping abstinence ed down in the midst of your typical public high school, while changing nothing else, is obviously going to be minimal.

The "morning after pill" is a death pill, not a "resource". By all means, teens should know this.
You assert as fact a lot that is widely controversial. In order for the morning after pill to be a death pill, there must first be life. When independent life begins is as hotly contested as any topic that there is. It is by no means a fact.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 02:29 PM
 
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I presume you are talking about sexual morality WP-style,
That has now become obvious.
 
Old 11-27-2012, 02:30 PM
 
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Are you blind? Practically everyone in this thread, beginning with the OP, is advocating that message.
You are being simplistic in the extreme.

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Then you will have no problem with educating teens about the immorality of contraception.
My basis for morality is not the same as yours. And it sure as hell is not a papal encyclical!
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