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Old 04-27-2010, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Ontario
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My personal belief for children who are not medically labeled "profoundly retarded" (being an iq of 25-39) are still capable of learning basic functions such as manners, chores, and behavior skills. I have seen the most mentally disabled children say "Thank-You" and "Please" to their parents and other adults. Does anyone else consider the situation Im involved in a form of "child abuse".
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Old 04-27-2010, 07:29 PM
 
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Does anyone else consider the situation Im involved in a form of "child abuse".
Possible child neglect. However, it would be hard to prove since they do hire people to look after him. Depends on the social services in Canada. It's possible that social workers might consider it neglect to not help a child with aspergers reach their fullest potential. Then again, they might decide that it's not neglect since the child is receiving clothing, food, shelter, etc. Could go either way.
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:07 AM
 
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Parents of disabled kids are just like any other parents: some take seriously their responsibility to raise their children, and some throw in the towel as soon as the child learns to say "no!"
(Sadly, I've met far too many of the latter.) Consequently, it is far too easy to produce a kid who is both autistic and a complete jerk.
Speaking purely for myself, if my daughter pulled half the crap this kid has pulled, she would sorely regret it. (Of course, I also hold her video games hostage until the weekend, and she doesn't get recreational computer time until her schoolwork is done-- so I'm probably firmly in the Big Ol' Meanie camp right there.) Our mantra is that disabilities mean you work harder, with help when you really need it-- not that you quit working.
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Old 04-28-2010, 08:52 AM
 
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Is that what THEY call Asperger's these days? No, that's what YOU call Asperger's and it shows that even people without any type of diagnosis can be uneducated & ignorant
While I understand where you are coming from, yes, a child can act the way the OP's charge is acting and still be Asperger's. There could be some co-morbidity there, but possibly not. In fact, the parents could be very vigilant and the child can still have some or many of these behaviors. No, looking at porn at 17 is not an Asperger's trait. But lack of social skills and boundaries is, and that, combined with lack of structure, manifests itself as sexual obssession in this case. Again, he could have some other issues. But it is also possible that he could be a woefully untreated Asperger's child.
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Old 04-28-2010, 11:20 AM
 
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While I understand where you are coming from, yes, a child can act the way the OP's charge is acting and still be Asperger's. There could be some co-morbidity there, but possibly not. In fact, the parents could be very vigilant and the child can still have some or many of these behaviors. No, looking at porn at 17 is not an Asperger's trait. But lack of social skills and boundaries is, and that, combined with lack of structure, manifests itself as sexual obssession in this case. Again, he could have some other issues. But it is also possible that he could be a woefully untreated Asperger's child.

Poor social skills, porn, behavior & boundary issues are not limited to the diagnosis of Asperger's.

Having said that, children on the Autistric Spectrum need structure, routine and some need a consistent behavior managment plan. This child is 17 and likely never had that, since he obviously doesn't now. That's not his fault but the fault of the adults around him. Frankly, I question the Asperger's diagnosis completely ... this 17 year old is functioning at a 5th grade educational level, that is relative to most children with Asperger's very delayed.

The bolded in your post is what I'm putting my money on.
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Old 04-28-2010, 04:17 PM
 
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My biggest interest in this particular case is determining the boundaries between psychological disorder and trained behavior. What behavior traits are trained and what cannot be changed is the biggest question of all.
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Old 04-28-2010, 04:25 PM
 
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My biggest interest in this particular case is determining the boundaries between psychological disorder and trained behavior. What behavior traits are trained and what cannot be changed is the biggest question of all.
I believe that all behavior can be "trained" given the right motivation. Children with developmental disabilities, unlike typical children, don't naturally learn through living & social pressure, what is socially appropriate or not. The reason for this is most likely the same reason why they have such poor social skills to begin with.

I would again urge you to speak to a behaviorist or psychiatrist about this child, who in effect is almost an adult. Generally speaking interventions workvbest when they are provided early and with consistency.
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Old 04-29-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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today the child had a meltdown when i told him he wouldn't be able to watch television because he had to work on homework. he screamed, threw his books at me, then started threatening suicide. he locked himself in his room until i broke down the door. hes calm now and working on his homework but what a way to get the day started...
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Old 04-29-2010, 02:47 PM
 
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today the child had a meltdown when i told him he wouldn't be able to watch television because he had to work on homework. he screamed, threw his books at me, then started threatening suicide. he locked himself in his room until i broke down the door. hes calm now and working on his homework but what a way to get the day started...
There's one quick way to cure manipulation-by-suicide-threat: call the police and have him Baker Acted. He won't try it again (unless he's one of the small percentage of the population who likes R&R on a locked unit).
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Old 04-29-2010, 03:52 PM
 
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Well I have the condition, and despite best efforts it makes it almost impossible to form bonds and relationships with people and therefore everything becomes a lot more difficult particularly with friends/lovers even professional networking.

And we people do tend to rebel. Society doesn't understand our intentions (which are no different from any one elses, we just come across differently or inappropriately) as a mental disorder can't be seen with the eye, like a physical deformity, so everyone misjudges and has nothing but contempt.

Whereas they would sympathise with physically deformed people of course.

So no wonder we rebel against the real jerks of society, the judgemental (nearly everyone).
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