Philadelphia 2035 (New Castle: baseball, traveling, contract)

[rotodome]

Originally Posted by PhilliesPhan2013

NEW 1900 CHESTNUT RENDERING RELEASED!!!

The new design of 1900 Chestnut totally OBLITERATES the old one! First of all, the height has INCREASED from 27 to 32 floors. Secondly, there is less paneling on this building. Glass, minimal off-white paneling, and limestone will be used. Finally, the facade of the Boyd will be preserved! Pearl, Baker, and the residents of that area did an OUTSTANDING job creating a new, SUPER-IMPROVED design!

Developer revises Boyd Theatre redevelopment plan

The somewhat unimpressive narrow facade of the Boyd is ALL that will be preserved (in some form).
What they aren't saying here is that the lobby and portion of the auditorium foyer which they previously said would be preserved and incorporated into the new building is now to be totally demolished. What remains of the Boyd keeps getting whittled smaller with each iteration of this design. At this point they might as well just call it a day and put one of those blue historical marker signs on the sidewalk. Hooray for condos.

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by rotodome

The somewhat unimpressive narrow facade of the Boyd is ALL that will be preserved (in some form).
What they aren't saying here is that the lobby and portion of the auditorium foyer which they previously said would be preserved and incorporated into the new building is now to be totally demolished. What remains of the Boyd keeps getting whittled smaller with each iteration of this design. At this point they might as well just call it a day and put one of those blue historical marker signs on the sidewalk. Hooray for condos.

Much better than that thing the thing looked like Morgan Hall on Temples campus. I still like the original Art Deco iteration better, but I guess we need full renderings to see how this will turn out.

It is a shame for basically the entire loss of the Boyd, especially when there are several less desirable/empty lots that a new highrise could be built on within a 5 block radius..

[steeps]

Originally Posted by kyb01

I'll keep it short because our mod is already upset with how far this thread has strayed.

Multiple comparisons between Phila and Minneapolis that seem to lack an understanding or knowledge of why some of the neighborhood amenities that you enjoyed in Minneapolis are not as abundant or the same in your current Phila. neighborhood. Also inferring that your every day life in Minneapolis was superior to what you are experiencing now in Phila.

There's an entire CD board devoted to city vs city. Wouldn't it make more sense to move these opinions there?

That poster stated he MOVED TO PHILLY on his own terms. He stated his Wife misses Minneapolis. He DID NOT SAY HE MISSES but surely Any city we lived in HAS ASPECTS ONE MISSES. HE IS A LOCAL NOW... UNLIKE ME. RESPECT HIS COMMENTS. One can't ALWAYS view things with Rose colored glasses. Comparisons are valid. Just not in this particular thread... between cities.
But if he states lives in Philly now. Even if something I A OUTSIDER MENTIONED? NOT FULLY HIGH 5's..... His counts too.

This thread IS about 20 years in the Future.... how and what is expected Philly will be like. Not a current new building either.....

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by rotodome

The somewhat unimpressive narrow facade of the Boyd is ALL that will be preserved (in some form).
What they aren't saying here is that the lobby and portion of the auditorium foyer which they previously said would be preserved and incorporated into the new building is now to be totally demolished. What remains of the Boyd keeps getting whittled smaller with each iteration of this design. At this point they might as well just call it a day and put one of those blue historical marker signs on the sidewalk. Hooray for condos.

Mte. This project just infuriates me. Don't expect any historical sign since there are none, that I'm aware of, for the other grand movie palaces that are all gone.

I expect I'm the only person here who actually went to the Boyd when it was the Boyd.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by steeps

That poster stated he MOVED TO PHILLY on his own terms. He stated his Wife misses Minneapolis. He DID NOT SAY HE MISSES but surely Any city we lived in HAS ASPECTS ONE MISSES. HE IS A LOCAL NOW... UNLIKE ME. RESPECT HIS COMMENTS. One can't ALWAYS view things with Rose colored glasses. Comparisons are valid. Just not in this particular thread... between cities.
But if he states lives in Philly now. Even if something I A OUTSIDER MENTIONED? NOT FULLY HIGH 5's..... His counts too.

This thread IS about 20 years in the Future.... how and what is expected Philly will be like. Not a current new building either.....

Actually I do respect him. You? Not at all.

[steeps]

Originally Posted by kyb01

Actually I do respect him. You? Not at all.

Great.... I never gave him negative comments. I noted ALL HE SAID and his wife missing the Midwest. As I do Chicago. It became part of me in 6 years there. I am Eastern Born and Bred. But still feel more Midwestern.

Again this OTHER poster ...... upheld more of what I said then not on Philly. But Philly is improving and by 2035. All that could have / should have debated ..... will be LONG PAST then and irrelevant. Philly and Chicago will probably be without the majority of blight. So our comments on now.... or even past choices will be far less relevant. Nothing I posted I feel was untrue. Just we could not continue on it in this thread and most here want ONLY POSITIVES.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by steeps

Great.... I never gave him negative comments. I noted ALL HE SAID and his wife missing the Midwest. As I do Chicago. It became part of me in 6 years there. I am Eastern Born and Bred. But still feel more Midwestern.

Again this OTHER poster ...... upheld more of what I said then not on Philly. But Philly is improving and by 2035. All that could have / should have debated ..... will be LONG PAST then and irrelevant. Philly and Chicago will probably be without the majority of blight. So our comments on now.... or even past choices will be far less relevant. Nothing I posted I feel was untrue. Just we could not continue on it in this thread and most here want ONLY POSITIVES.

Well, there is the matter of the quality of design we will get as the blight gets cleaned up.

The builders who rehabbed the row mansions the new beer barons built on Parkside Avenue have done a fabulous job restoring the elegant and elaborate facades of these homes.

I haven't had a chance to stroll down its North Philadelphia analogue, Diamond Street, whose large homes by and large sport more typically modest facades.

But I have seen what speculative builders have been throwing up on nearby streets, in particular Cecil B. Moore Avenue, to house Temple students.

These modern row homes are, not to put too fine a point on it, tacky. They sport the boxy bay protrusions my friend Steve Stofka called "stucco tumors", only these are clad in multicolored plastic panels.

I don't think this is a row vs. SFR issue either, for I have seen some decent-looking cheap row houses in the same area, but most of these, I think are low-income housing produced by the PHA.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can mandate design standards for new construction.

[southbound_295]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

Well, there is the matter of the quality of design we will get as the blight gets cleaned up.

The builders who rehabbed the row mansions the new beer barons built on Parkside Avenue have done a fabulous job restoring the elegant and elaborate facades of these homes.

I haven't had a chance to stroll down its North Philadelphia analogue, Diamond Street, whose large homes by and large sport more typically modest facades.

But I have seen what speculative builders have been throwing up on nearby streets, in particular Cecil B. Moore Avenue, to house Temple students.

These modern row homes are, not to put too fine a point on it, tacky. They sport the boxy bay protrusions my friend Steve Stofka called "stucco tumors", only these are clad in multicolored plastic panels.

I don't think this is a row vs. SFR issue either, for I have seen some decent-looking cheap row houses in the same area, but most of these, I think are low-income housing produced by the PHA.

Unfortunately, I don't think we can mandate design standards for new construction.

Quality is a big thing. However, the residential housing has a lifespan in the area that you're talking about near Cecil B Moore. The vinyl clad ticky tacky housing is also on Montgomery, around 21st or 22nd. That is at least the 3rd generation of housing on that land since it was developed, post Civil War. the vinyl clad units won't last that long. If at least part of the replacement housing is decent quality, it will help going forward. Some of the numbered cross streets still have the original twins which were a much higher quality than the later rows. Large quantities of row houses are gone, probably knocked down when the city was knocking down crack houses. That is the 23rd police district, after all. If enough students have gotten into the area, building twins or duplexes again might help to boost the area.

[thedirtypirate]

This is the kind of thing that annoys me that happens around Temple: Positive Steps for a Block of Carlisle Street Near Temple | Naked Philly

This street has multiple large 5 to 10 story apartment buildings but the city cant figure out anyway to knock down the final shell? Like come on.. Those properties should have been seized because of neglect. Its ridiculous someone made a ton of money off of sitting on them for 17 years.

[kyb01]

Originally Posted by thedirtypirate

This is the kind of thing that annoys me that happens around Temple: Positive Steps for a Block of Carlisle Street Near Temple | Naked Philly

This street has multiple large 5 to 10 story apartment buildings but the city cant figure out anyway to knock down the final shell? Like come on.. Those properties should have been seized because of neglect. Its ridiculous someone made a ton of money off of sitting on them for 17 years.

Look up Sam Rappaport, the king of sitting on stuff looking for an ultimate pay day. Things started to improve in CC after he died and other, good developers, bought properties in his estate. Example: the Victory Bldg.