So now that is a total of 3 places that has closed down on Market Street between 11th and 13th (Philadelphia: appointed, rent)

[PHILLYUPTOWN]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

How in the actual eff can you say when or where "Black ppl" feel comfortable? That is complete sterotypical garbage dude. People are all different from one another, though we all share similarities. But cmon....

Black population in Philly is 43% of 1,567,258 giving us approximately 673,920.

You speaking for all 673,290 black people in Philly? So you know where all these people feel comfortable...based on their skin color....

Because I’m black; and I’ve heard it a million times. Plus, all you have to do is look with your eyes; restaurants and night life is still kinda segregated in this city. It’s not that serious tho, and no reason to get defensive, it’s nobody’s fault…it is what it is.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by PHILLYUPTOWN

Because I’m black; and I’ve heard it a million times. Plus, all you have to do is look with your eyes; restaurants and night life is still kinda segregated in this city. It’s not that serious tho, and no reason to get defensive, it’s nobody’s fault…it is what it is.

Gotcha, and relevant point. My only point is even if you have groups of folks hanging here or there and/or disruptive groups at that doesnt mean that that group is representative of an entire race of people. I think that becomes evident with all the white kids out there who adopt thug living as their own.

[cpomp]

Originally Posted by Hermit12

Using my Mr. Moviephone voice - Why don't you just tell us how you'd like people to react?

React like your mother.

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Well then, theres lots of reasons that arent limited to the video Im posting...Off Topic...sorry...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-Nq-DiZJ0

"Overrated" was the word that poster used, I guess overseas child labor falls within that.

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by cpomp

React like your mother.



"Overrated" was the word that poster used, I guess overseas child labor falls within that.

Correct.

[MarketStEl]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

Gotcha, and relevant point. My only point is even if you have groups of folks hanging here or there and/or disruptive groups at that doesnt mean that that group is representative of an entire race of people. I think that becomes evident with all the white kids out there who adopt thug living as their own.

And conversely, there are lots of middle-class Blacks who adopt none of the attitudes or trappings of thug life.

There is a tendency for many Blacks to not want to air our dirty laundry in public, and it's born of the tendency for too many whites (IMO, one is too many) to ascribe the bad stuff to the race as a whole. Your bolded point is valid as far as that's concerned, and we would all do well to remember it

[TomJones123]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

And conversely, there are lots of middle-class Blacks who adopt none of the attitudes or trappings of thug life.

There is a tendency for many Blacks to not want to air our dirty laundry in public, and it's born of the tendency for too many whites (IMO, one is too many) to ascribe the bad stuff to the race as a whole. Your bolded point is valid as far as that's concerned, and we would all do well to remember it

Absolutely.

[selhars]

Originally Posted by TomJones123

How in the actual eff can you say when or where "Black ppl" feel comfortable? That is complete sterotypical garbage dude. People are all different from one another, though we all share similarities. But cmon....

Black population in Philly is 43% of 1,567,258 giving us approximately 673,920.

You speaking for all 673,290 black people in Philly? So you know where all these people feel comfortable...based on their skin color....

Exactly.

Just because a person hears or experiences something in their circle -- even an extended group they know ...or even on the news, doesn't make it true.

And even is if IS true for a small group of people that a person may know it's only true for that group.
Let's not generalize about or speak for an entire race or ethnic group. That's just nonsensical and shows a lack of understanding of nuance which can come off as ignorant.

[PHILLYUPTOWN]

Originally Posted by MarketStEl

And conversely, there are lots of middle-class Blacks who adopt none of the attitudes or trappings of thug life.

There is a tendency for many Blacks to not want to air our dirty laundry in public, and it's born of the tendency for too many whites (IMO, one is too many) to ascribe the bad stuff to the race as a whole. Your bolded point is valid as far as that's concerned, and we would all do well to remember it

and those middle class type blacks/uppies or generally better assimilated blacks (who are that way by whatever consequence) do enjoy the restaurants, mainstream nightlife and everything the city has to offer, like their white peers.
I'm talking about the black majority who are born and raised in the City and of working class who may or may not have traits of which you/we deplore. They will exist and they WILL utilize downtown; so hopefully we find a way to make it work rather than close the stuff they like; which will make situations like "South Street" even worse; a whole bunch of people with no place to go so they kinda just cruise around.
Not to mention it makes the wealth divide worse, the us vs them divide worse, gives the anti-gentrification crowd merit, etc. Building this new revitalized city and downtown; it's important that they feel included.

I actually think the new Market East would go a long way in doing that by including the Sixers in the downtown revitalization; which will give its fans a stake in downtown and make downtown more diverse and egalitarian as a whole.....more suburbanites downtown, more older african americans, more working class whites downtown...all this is good so downtown doesn't become simply a playground for the wealthy, an elite, yuppie/hipster, progressive ghetto with a bunch of college students running around. LOL.

[PHILLYUPTOWN]

Originally Posted by selhars

Exactly.

Just because a person hears or experiences something in their circle -- even an extended group they know ...or even on the news, doesn't make it true.

And even is if IS true for a small group of people that a person may know it's only true for that group.
Let's not generalize about or speak for an entire race or ethnic group. That's just nonsensical and shows a lack of understanding of nuance which can come off as ignorant.

Nah. You can make inferences, and if your in a particular sub-group, and know it well, you can be comfortable in making such statements. The same way a comedian makes observations, especially black comedians, and everybody laughs and confirms it....we are more alike than we are not. And of course there are outliers, as there always are....i'm not uncomfortable being the only black person in a bar or restaurant, but thats because im well used to it due to my upbringing; but even im always looking for the other minority, thats the life of being a minority. You can't understand it. I stand by my statement.



Most people would accept the idea that many (most) white people are uncomfortable being around a large number of African Americans, them in the minority...its confirmed in many ways; almost naturally the opposite would be true, especially for people who live segregated lives, segregated neighborhoods and segregated schools? Granted a lot of it is class and i would think a working class white person may equally be uncomfortable in a place like Talula's.

Hell, Ive personally experienced parties at college that cleared out once enough black kids showed up; and restaurants that transitioned once it became popular with black crowds...cough...steak48...cough.


Its like that episode of season 4 of "The Wire" when Prez treated the 3 kids to dinner at a fancy downtown Baltimore restaurant; and after getting over the anxiety of people staring at them, their own projections of people not wanting them there, not understanding the etiquette...being out of their element, at the end they just wanted what they were familiar with and ended up at McDonalds. Now picture 4 young adults from 22nd and Lehigh at Zahav.

[Hermit12]

Originally Posted by selhars

Just because a person hears or experiences something in their circle -- even an extended group they know ...or even on the news, doesn't make it true.

Except that makes it true in their world. That's all that matters.