is it worth it to be born today? (ethical, society, life)
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The short answer is "no". But it has nothing to do with present-day woes, which are risibly benign by historical standards.
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Originally Posted by VistaCat
I think overall - now is a better time to be born (in a first world country) than any other time before. Prior to all the modern inventions - life was a daily struggle just to exist. And for women, people of color, gay people and disabled people - that is even more so.
Very true.
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Originally Posted by Adhom
So in the 5000 or so years of human recorded history and even all the time before that, you imagine this is the worse time to be alive? Either you've never studied any history or you are just a pessimist. People didn't give up back then, why should they now?
"People didn't give up back then" because apart from a few curmudgeons, cynics and nihilists, nobody seriously questioned the benefits of continuation of the human race. Procreation was regarded as a duty. With the benefit of more knowledge and more history behind us, presumably the ranks of the curmudgeons will increase. Eventually, perhaps, "giving up" will become not only socially acceptable, but the prevailing creed.
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Originally Posted by Woodrow LI
If a person has to be born, the day is not of any importance.
Exactly. The great misfortune isn't making a bad choice of epoch or parentage, but the inescapable fact of having been born. Full stop.
Definitely no. I wouldn't throw a child into this hell of world we call home just to have "meat toy" to distract myself. Procreation is an irrational and immoral act that people do without any consideration to the offspring.
I think children should start to take their parents to court for bringing them into this inferno.
Answer to the original question: No. I don't have children, because I care too much about them to force them into this existence. There are wonderful things to experience in life, but if you don't exist, you're not "missing out" on anything, and you're spared all the painful crap.
I don't see any non-selfish reason for bringing kids into the world.
Definitely no. I wouldn't throw a child into this hell of world we call home just to have "meat toy" to distract myself. Procreation is an irrational and immoral act that people do without any consideration to the offspring.
I think children should start to take their parents to court for bringing them into this inferno.
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Originally Posted by JewelChick01
Answer to the original question: No. I don't have children, because I care too much about them to force them into this existence. There are wonderful things to experience in life, but if you don't exist, you're not "missing out" on anything, and you're spared all the painful crap.
I don't see any non-selfish reason for bringing kids into the world.
well they both do have valid points even though it seems harsh. I mean the good things in life is such as love, people around you that care about, cars, food, special celebrations such as weddings, graduations, and just anything that makes people feel good are very small compared to the harsh sides of life.
I think the bigger question is "do you feel that life was worth it?"
well they both do have valid points even though it seems harsh. I mean the good things in life is such as love, people around you that care about, cars, food, special celebrations such as weddings, graduations, and just anything that makes people feel good are very small compared to the harsh sides of life.
I think the bigger question is "do you feel that life was worth it?"
If you have an hour or two to kill, go read the "it's wrong to have children" and "philosophy forum and children" threads where we go back and forth on the very issues you noted.
The answer from me to your bigger question is yes: it absolutely has been, and even if it hit the fan tomorrow and was all downhill from here I'd say it was worth it and do it again. I've been through plenty of bad stuff that I don't care to get into, but I remember every second of it, certainly. I feel that the positives outweigh the negatives, and even derive a degree of pleasure and amusement from the neg atives to the point that I somewhat look forward to being faced with them. Not a common state but one that allows me to enjoy the world for all it is. Their reality and its perceptions are irreconciliable with mine and vice versa. The big difference is that mine realizes this, while theirs purports that any dissention are the ramblings of dilusional insane people.
It's as good a day to be born as yesterday and it still beats the hell out of 100 years ago. Or 200, so on and so forth.
Cheer up.
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