Reason most people want to leave Phoenix (salary, move)

[Katzpur]

Originally Posted by shiphead

Since this is a Mormon state, why do I need to support their 10 kids?

Pick another scapegoat, shiphead. Only 5.8% of Arizonans are Mormon. I'm LDS and have two kids. The only person I ever knew really well was a Catholic woman from Phoenix who came from a very big family.

[Finger Laker]

Originally Posted by PhoenixAirConcerns

Sometimes it can pay off though. For example, with the EPA again witholding funding to the Phoenix area because the county hasn't done enough to try and address the air pollution issues. This is becoming a regular, year-after-year pattern where we are losing money because we fail to put a little bit into it.

You do realize just because you type something doesn't make it true, right?!?!

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by Finger Laker

You do realize just because you type something doesn't make it true, right?!?!

Your quoted post being a good example. The EPA has not withheld anything - not that they have anything to withhold. There have been threats of funding cuts for hiways etc unless the Feds and AZ can come to agreement on an acceptable plan. The EPA has not even released its findings much less acted to cut funding. In fact, cutting funds for air violations is mostly an empty threat. It just doesn't happen. This is just more of the same crap this poster keeps putting up as fact although others have posted good information showing he is wrong. I would hope that, by now, visitors to the forum have figured out that PAC is not a reliable source of information.

[Finger Laker]

Definitely

Especially given how many street & road projects were accelerated by the use of federal funds over the past 2 years.

[phxgreenfire]

Originally Posted by Beware_of_Dog

Some of you people sound like you are totally nuts. You are always welcome to voice your opinions, but that doesn't mean they are sane ones.

Put a tax (fine) on people who are obese! When the government starts legislating what people should look like, lets just step all the way into some twisted Rod Serling Twilight Zone show. If you really want us fat folks to lose weight, just execute those who are overweight by a certain amount. That will really motivate us to slim down or kill ourselves trying. After we solve the fat problem, lets go after ugly people next. I am sick of looking at those people with acne all over their faces from eating chocolate and junk food. Then we can go get those dang midgets and dwarfs. We don't want them polluting the gene pool.

Get the idea. If you start down that road, there is no end. Sooner or later they will find something wrong with you too.

I think you totally missed my original point: Arizona's government and most of its population blame illegal immigrants for sending the state down the toilet. All these people say it's "unfair that their taxes pay for illegal immigrants" and silly me, I thought putting things into perspective might actually help legal residents realize they use tax-funded services that aren't fair to some people; i.e. anything funding children (as I have to pay for your kids, though absolutely want nothing to do with children) and health care obese people need (as someone who is under what is considered normal weight paying more for the majority of population so they can shove another Big Mac down their throats and let the doctor take care of things.)

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by phxgreenfire

Ugh... back in circles again. There's something really wrong with this state. Period. Go ahead and flash that #3 in job growth again if you want... they just keep failing to bring in good jobs. Part of it has to do with a lack of college-educated people here and Phoenix' inability to attract them. Plus, you ignored my obese tax idea... why is that?

Would running more efficiently include not starting witch hunts, finding ways to restrict abortion further and debating animal-human hybrids (all of which the legislature did last session,) and focusing instead on real economic development?



I don't want kids AT ALL... but I know in the long run the nation as a whole will need kids to be educated for when they take over. I never said I want a socialist nation, but Arizona already pawned off government buildings to "resolve" the last budget issue... so still over $1 billion in the hole this coming legislative session I'm eager to see how much bigger of a laughing stock this state will be with the ideas they come up with.

I was in WI last week and heard on the radio that they are proposing to sell the governor's mansion on Lake Mendota to help balance the budget. They said the gov could live in a condo and rent a hotel ballroom to entertain. They cited AZ as one of the states that does just fine without a mansion for its top politician. I don't think we give Jan even a condo, do we?

[Finger Laker]

Not even close to an equal parallel .... providing education and health services to children enhances the entire state as there are many indirect users and vicarious impacts

Further limiting educational options will not attract employers, provide an educated workforce, increase the service options available, etc that provide a benefit to all.

Would seniors rather have a kid spend time in school becoming better suited to provide a stable job that will feed into the social programs that support them (medicade, social security, etc), taxes that will provide for the infrastruture they use, create jobs that they will either use for part time work or provide services they will consume

or

get robbed by some dope with too much time on their hands and little other ways to make money only to have the honor of eventually paying for their prison stay

even if you don't buy into that line of thinking you still come back to the not only the costs associated vs benefits incurred of providing for those who can't provide a lot in return as well as the morale issues of what you should provide to non-residents or in many cases criminal non-residents

if you look at european nations, or really any country that has a lot of social programs and really great perks to being a resident .. they have very stringent standards about who can come in the country, the path to citizenship, border security, immigration enforcement and they are tightly enforced

they've figured out that if you're going to give a lot to people and kind of use the group purchaser/economy of scale approach to social services then you need to have two things - sufficient income coming in to pay for these items from those who will receive the benefits and tight control over who receives the benefits

[phxgreenfire]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

I was in WI last week and heard on the radio that they are proposing to sell the governor's mansion on Lake Mendota to help balance the budget. They said the gov could live in a condo and rent a hotel ballroom to entertain. They cited AZ as one of the states that does just fine without a mansion for its top politician. I don't think we give Jan even a condo, do we?

Okay... but what about the Capitol Arizona sold to private investors?

[Ritchie_az]

Originally Posted by phxgreenfire

There's something really wrong with this state. Period.

There is something wrong with all 50 states. Period. None are perfect. The one you will eventually (hopefully) move to will have many, many, many things wrong with it. And I'm 100% sure that with time, you will find every one of them... and maybe even post about them in a different forum.
Arizona is a good, yet imperfect, state. So are a lot of other states. Good luck finding your utopia.

Originally Posted by phxgreenfire

Go ahead and flash that #3 in job growth again if you want...

...in the whole U.S. of A., btw. #3 in the whole country. That's very good news... yet bad news to you for some reason.

[phxgreenfire]

Originally Posted by Ritchie_az

There is something wrong with all 50 states. Period. None are perfect. The one you will eventually (hopefully) move to will have many, many, many things wrong with it. And I'm 100% sure that with time, you will find every one of them... and maybe even post about them in a different forum.
Arizona is a good, yet imperfect, state. So are a lot of other states. Good luck finding your utopia.


...in the whole U.S. of A., btw. #3 in the whole country. That's very good news... yet bad news to you for some reason.

Yeah, but Arizona thought an economy based largely on housing was a good idea. And I hope to be out of here in as little as three weeks. I'm just waiting for the company I interviewed with to make a decision, which they said is due a week from Friday. And I'm not saying that #3 ranking is bad, just that given Arizona's track record they're likely not very good jobs. It's possible, albeit extremely difficult for me to find a job in my field here and the positions that are here pay significantly lower than what I could make elsewhere. Actually, I just read an article recently that mentioned the exact job I'm looking for. In Phoenix it pays mid- to high- $20Ks. The average salary for that exact position nationwide is $53K. Hmm... why is that?