Are there enough people in Phoenix? (landscaping, ranked, deal)

[New Horizons]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

I don't know where you live now but if you have an area in your town that developed in the past few years with chain restaurants, new homes, gas stations - all new and spiffy looking then take that image and multiplyit by one hundred and then one thousand and then maybe even 10000 and you will have Phoenix. Nobody is going to call it rural around here. It's endless suburbia.

Well on google maps I click around roads such as Camelback, Indian School, and Thomas, and kind of north of downtown. The google images are real high quality. I can tell they are older areas with neat old strip malls from the 1960's. I was hoping that look was very prevalent in Phoenix. But I'm sure the new development is nice too.

[Howard Roark]

Since I am working in Tampa and living in Phoenix I think I'm qualified to post. I see much higher congestion in Tampa, as the OP seems to suggest. I think part of the reason is because Phoenix is more grid-like and there are more streets, alternative streets. I used to work in central Phoenix. I left my apartment at 6:15 in the morning to drive the 13 miles. Either take the Broadway curve (of I-10), 48th street all the way up to where it turns into 143, or go up Priest to Baseline and then to 48th, then to 143. Here in Tampa I go from North Tampa to USF. I have basically one route. The road (Bruce B Downs) is being worked on. The traffic is heavy going back home, whichever route I take, but lighter than Phoenix at 6:30 am (because East Coasters tend to like to stay up late and wake up late compared to westerners). But I drive down B.B.D. to I-75 and take Fowler to the west normally.

As for the topic "Are there enough people in Phoenix" - I think there are more than enough people in the world because we are over-polluted.

[Stokes172]

One million Phoenicians live in Canada .


That's why it appears to be so empty most of the year.

[Phxguy]

Originally Posted by Stokes172

One million Phoenicians live in Canada .


That's why it appears to be so empty most of the year.

Are you talking about snow birds?

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by Stokes172

One million Phoenicians live in Canada .


That's why it appears to be so empty most of the year.

Then how come I keep experiencing traffic jams on the streets & freeways during the summer months? I think that number is a bit exaggerated ... but in any case, a million less people in Phoenix would still mean that there are about three million people hanging around, which only makes a minor difference in the traffic congestion, and crowds at the malls & restaurants.

[Stokes172]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

Then how come I keep experiencing traffic jams on the streets & freeways during the summer months? I think that number is a bit exaggerated ... but in any case, a million less people in Phoenix would still mean that there are about three million people hanging around, which only makes a minor difference in the traffic congestion, and crowds at the malls & restaurants.

I guess i should have put one of these in my post.

[New Horizons]

I was out driving out in the mid day heat in Florida and purposefully looked for pedestrians. There were no people walking around except for your occasional guy lugging a 12 pack across the road. And if I wanted a real walkable city I'd move to one of those dense ones in the northeast. Actually I'd probably move to the Hollywood area in LA. Cool thing is I could actually drive there from Phoenix.

However this is what really catches my interest, have a look!
phoenix,az - Google Maps
Does Phoenix really look like this, or does google just make them look especially appealing? I love that brown look interspersed with that red sage stuff. And those freeways look so good too.
It almost looks make believe, like the town of Bedrock in the Flintstones.

[Kimballette]

Originally Posted by desert_scene

I was out driving out in the mid day heat in Florida and purposefully looked for pedestrians. There were no people walking around except for your occasional guy lugging a 12 pack across the road. And if I wanted a real walkable city I'd move to one of those dense ones in the northeast. Actually I'd probably move to the Hollywood area in LA. Cool thing is I could actually drive there from Phoenix.

However this is what really catches my interest, have a look!
phoenix,az - Google Maps
Does Phoenix really look like this, or does google just make them look especially appealing? I love that brown look interspersed with that red sage stuff. And those freeways look so good too.
It almost looks make believe, like the town of Bedrock in the Flintstones.

LOL! When I first moved to the area, I was amazed by how clean the freeways are, compared with Los Angeles. Now I barely notice. The things we take for granted, eh?

This is obviously one of the newer freeways, however, in the suburbs, rather than the center of Phoenix.

[observer53]

Originally Posted by desert_scene

I was out driving out in the mid day heat in Florida and purposefully looked for pedestrians. There were no people walking around except for your occasional guy lugging a 12 pack across the road. And if I wanted a real walkable city I'd move to one of those dense ones in the northeast. Actually I'd probably move to the Hollywood area in LA. Cool thing is I could actually drive there from Phoenix.

However this is what really catches my interest, have a look!
phoenix,az - Google Maps
Does Phoenix really look like this, or does google just make them look especially appealing? I love that brown look interspersed with that red sage stuff. And those freeways look so good too.
It almost looks make believe, like the town of Bedrock in the Flintstones.

Thanks for that image. Now I'll have that theme song running through my head for the rest of the day.

We do have pretty freeways, as freeways go.

[pbenjamin]

Originally Posted by Kimballette

LOL! When I first moved to the area, I was amazed by how clean the freeways are, compared with Los Angeles. Now I barely notice. The things we take for granted, eh?

This is obviously one of the newer freeways, however, in the suburbs, rather than the center of Phoenix.

Actually, it is the "short stack" where I-10, AZ-51 and AZ-202 come together, right in the belly of the beast.