What are some ways Phoenix could develop to stand out from the crowd? (Peoria: to move, eat)

[ElleTea]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

It's not the climate its the interaction and infusion of water into the soil.

It's exactly the same, it's a stream running through the Sonoran Desert.

And, specifically, how is a different climate period one that is only 10 or so degrees cooler at some points?

A second example would be Rio Rico; a third would be the San Pedro. A fourth would be the area North of Tucson w/n the Rillito Wash.

Different than the midwest

Stop comparing apples to oranges

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by ElleTea

Different than the midwest

Stop comparing apples to oranges

I'm talking about Wickenburg, I have no care for the Midwest because it's irrelevant. Apples to Apples.

Water in a stream in the Sonoran Desert in Wickenburg=greenery naturally occurring. Other examples include the Rillito Wash, Rio Rico, and the San Pedro.

Salt River= A Natural River

Salt River Valley has the Salt River running through it but for dams.

Without the dams the Salt River Valley is green like the stream running through Wickenburg, which does not have a completely different climate.

Phoenix, therefore, is naturally not cacti and gravel in large portions. Which, again, is my point. Naturally, Phoenix is riparian and is full of green brush, Ash, and Oak trees.

Many of the neighborhoods near the Salt River feature these sorts of plants.

The greenery around Phoenix is not the same greenery in wherever Midwest. That sort of greenery doesn't even grow here.

[ElleTea]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

I'm talking about Wickenburg, I have no care for the Midwest because it's irrelevant. Apples to Apples.

Water in a stream in the Sonoran Desert in Wickenburg=greenery naturally occurring. Other examples include the Rillito Wash, Rio Rico, and the San Pedro.

Salt River= A Natural River

Salt River Valley has the Salt River running through it but for dams.

Without the dams the Salt River Valley is green like the stream running through Wickenburg, which does not have a completely different climate.

Phoenix, therefore, is naturally not cacti and gravel in large portions. Which, again, is my point. Naturally, Phoenix is riparian and is full of green brush, Ash, and Oak trees.

Many of the neighborhoods near the Salt River feature these sorts of plants.

The greenery around Phoenix is not the same greenery in wherever Midwest. That sort of greenery doesn't even grow here.

I'm done

[JGMotorsport64]

Originally Posted by ElleTea

I'm done

Clearly

My point was simple, yet it had to be about Ohio for some reason in your mind.

[Renegade007]

Phoenix is quite green and lush... for a desert climate. Wanna see a barren desert? Try Libya. No cactus, no sagebrush, no riparian areas, no nothing. Just sand, sand, sand and a little more sand on top of sand.

[pbenjamin]

Phoenix, back before everybody from Kansas to Ohio decided to move here, was an oasis, a green spot in the desert, because of rivers and canals. The neighborhood that I live in existed when the city's population was 65,000, and we have lots of lawns and shade trees. As people pave over BFE to make room for more people, let them have their rock lawns, but don't be telling me what to do here.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by Java Jolt

The fact that Phoenix happens to be in the Sonoran Desert shouldn't mean the entire MSA should be barren and natural. I didn't move here for the desert climate and I shouldn't have to move someplace else just because I like grass and shadetrees.

You'll probably have to wait a mighty long time for water restrictions, there are no plans for them because the Phoenix area has multiple water sources and none are endangered.

I'm sorry you think being comfortable and having green recreational areas is a waste. How miserable it would be to not have any grass or shady areas to play on.

Do you like being miserable? Please slap yourself.

Of course it doesn't have to be all desert, despite the fact that we do live in one. If the city wanted to make some green parks here and there, Id have no problem with that. But everyone wanting lush green grass on their property is a waste. I don't care what you say, its a waste. California didn't feel the need to curb water usage and look what the drought did to them in just a few short years! Do you really want to be faced with the possibility of water restrictions? Why risk it? The Colorado River is already in trouble, and people watering their lawns to the tune of 5-7K gallons a month is retarded. We can plant native shade trees all over for shade if you really pine for it that bad.


No, you shouldn't have to move if you like grass and shadetrees, but I question your judgement for moving here in the first place if that's what you prefer. I wouldn't move to Portland if I was seeking a sunny, dry climate. Sounds like you made a pretty poor decision.


Sounds like you're the miserable one. After all you dislike your environs so much that you feel the need to eliminate them and replace them with unnatural ones. I'm 100% content with zero shade, zero grass, and zero water usage. After all, I chose the desert to be my home.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by KurtAZ

I think it is funny how everyone keeps saying "this is the desert" all the time when even the Hohokam settled the area and <<gasp>> planted crops. They survived for a couple thousand years at the confluence of the Salt and Gila rivers...agriculture has long been a part of the Valley of the Sun and I am guessing NONE of those crops were "native" to the area.

That was done strictly for survival purposes. Nowadays, after Europeans arrived and cultivated the entire nation, we don't have to rely on planting non-native crops in AZ to feed us. Said food gets trucked or flown in from all over the country (and world) to feed us. Quite the big difference, wouldn't you say?

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by JGMotorsport64

You mean xeriscaping? Ohio has xeriscaping you know.

Additionally, you are aware that naturally Phoenix is riparian due to natural flooding cycles from the Salt/Gila Rivers? That actual natural habitat would be green brush, Oak and Ash?

Sometime you may drive toward Wickenburg. There is a stream that runs just outside of Town. You will notice the types of plants that are growing in and around that stream. Imagine that on a much grander scale. That is the SRV in its natural form. That was the primary reason for human civilization on a grand scale in this area and why the canals were built in the first place. It was a literal oasis. Which is what makes so many transplants wrong. They come here and think that all of Phoenix should be cacti and gravel when naturally a large portion of the valley is lush and green but-for the dams that had to be built to keep all of you Midwesterners from dehydrating while hiking in July.

The entire Valley floor was not a lush riparian oasis. If it was, we would see evidence of that in all the untouched natural areas in the Valley. The areas right along the rivers would naturally be more lush, but the outer fringes would definitely be rock and cacti, just as its been for thousands of years.


And quit picking on Midwesterners. If it wasn't for us, AZ would be just another dried out, lazy, uneducated state. Kinda like NM. You could kiss places like State Farm, Caterpillar, Cummins, Detroit Diesel, Ford, GM, and even your beloved Cardinals goodbye. We brought cultivation, law, business, and jobs here. Midwesterners have contributed so much to AZ, to insult them would be to insult a big portion of AZ's story. You wouldn't even have a city named Peoria.

[BIG CATS]

Originally Posted by pbenjamin

Phoenix, back before everybody from Kansas to Ohio decided to move here, was an oasis, a green spot in the desert, because of rivers and canals. The neighborhood that I live in existed when the city's population was 65,000, and we have lots of lawns and shade trees. As people pave over BFE to make room for more people, let them have their rock lawns, but don't be telling me what to do here.

Ummm, statistically and factually speaking, OH and specifically KS don't send many people here. You would have to look to NY and CA for the biggest influx of people. But thanks for playing.