Coldest February in years? (Phoenix, Miami: moving, exodus, humidity)

[DougStark]

Originally Posted by timothyaw

This business about AZ being in good shape water wise is the main reason people are so wasteful of this precious resource. AZ is one of the worst offenders (along with CA) when it comes to wasting water. People can't see with their own eyes the dwindling water supplies, so they assume all is good. See what AZ is doing with the Colorado River pact, dragging their feet along with CA in getting this deal done. If this doesn't get approved by all the affected states, the government will make the cuts and AZ will be in even worse shape than with the drought pact.

Since Las Vegas gets 90% of it's water from Lake Mead and can see the bath tub rings around it, they take water conservation much more seriously up there. They can SEE the issue for themselves. Yes a wet winter will help SOME, but we're by no means out of the woods for good.

As other posters have mentioned, it will take YEARS of very wet winters to get back to a normal level for our reservoirs. We have to continue water conservation, not slack off because of one wet winter. Look at CA, few years ago they were in a extreme drought. Then had a very wet winter and came out of it. They started pulling back on conservation, and went back into a drought. So yes it can be bust and boom when it comes to water, but there is no guarantee it will always work that way.

timothyaw, what "people are so wasteful of this precious resource" in AZ? I seriously don't think it is homeowners and businesses in Phoenix metro. I don't see it. About 75% of my neighbors have desert landscaping. But, A case can be made that growing alfalfa in the desert is "wasteful", and like Ponderosa said, agriculture uses the bulk of Arizona's water (for crops, livestock, or both.)

If you want a short lesson on extreme water use in the southwest, read up on the Imperial Valley (CA). The farmers there secured water rights VERY early on. The Imperial Valley, while it does provide a ton of winter produce for the nation, uses an UN- believable amount of surface water (Colorado River water). Look it up. They sold some of their water rights to San Diego (for a pretty penny) several yrs ago because San Diego needed it so badly.

[timothyaw]

Well it's official, AZ will not have it's water plan ready on time. Drastic cuts could come by the feds.


https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/fe...ne-for-key-wa/

[motormaker]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Really? Las Vegas per capita consumption is twice what it is in Phoenix and even more than that with respect to Los Angeles which uses significantly less per capita than Phoenix. I know. It's the fountains and all the water features. Doesn't matter. It is wasteful and LV is the most wasteful city in the west. Phoenix, at least, has alternatives to Colorado water. LV is living on borrowed time.

And that's da truth. Well said Ponderosa.

[motormaker]

Originally Posted by timothyaw

Well it's official, AZ will not have it's water plan ready on time. Drastic cuts could come by the feds.


https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/fe...ne-for-key-wa/

The plan was signed.

https://azbigmedia.com/ducey-signs-h...tingency-plan/

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by timothyaw

Well it's official, AZ will not have it's water plan ready on time. Drastic cuts could come by the feds.


https://lasvegassun.com/news/2019/fe...ne-for-key-wa/

They're working out the complex details. It could have been done earlier, of course, but it's doubtful that the Feds will get involved as long as things are progressing. Heck, with Trump in office the Feds might end up giving California's allocation to Arizona!

[MN-Born-n-Raised]

Originally Posted by timothyaw

This business about AZ being in good shape water wise is the main reason people are so wasteful of this precious resource.

Don't shoot the messenger. Like the overwhelming majority of people, when my wallet is impacted, I will adjust and adapt accordingly. As an example: back in 2008 when gas was $4 a gallon, people were waiting in line for a Prius. Walk down memory lane by clicking on this 2008 article https://www.wired.com/2008/07/supply-and-dema/ . And Ford (which announced last year they are pretty much getting out of the car building business) was ramping up small car production in 2008 while winding down gas guzzlers (see https://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/22/business/22ford.html )

The message is, we want everyone else to conserve. You know, like the hypocrite Al Gore and his 10,000 square foot home.

So if it is really really important to cut back on water, it will automatically happen when I open up my water bill and it doubles. I'll stop taking 20 minute showers with 5 spray jets and I'll ctu back using 10,000 gallons to water my plants and grass in July when I am not here. Until then, I really do want Arizona to conserve water! But I'd much rather have everyone else conserve water versus me. Unlike Al Gore, I'm being honest. So the only complete solution is to raise the price of the product. When that happens, watch me swap out my grass and plants.

[ElleTea]

I heard on KTAR this morning that this February is officially setting up to be the coldest we have had in decades. By the end of the month we still average 6 degrees below average.

I'm over it! Would south Florida have been a better choice back in 2013 when I was considering it?

[timothyaw]

Originally Posted by motormaker

And that's da truth. Well said Ponderosa.

As I mentioned earlier, Las Vegas as a whole doesn't come close to using their allocation of Colorado river water. Could they improve, of course. All municipalities could, especially here in Phoenix.

[timothyaw]

Originally Posted by motormaker

The plan was signed.

https://azbigmedia.com/ducey-signs-h...tingency-plan/

Signed but not done. As Ponderosa mentioned, they are working out the complex details still.

[timothyaw]

Originally Posted by ElleTea

I heard on KTAR this morning that this February is officially setting up to be the coldest we have had in decades. By the end of the month we still average 6 degrees below average.

I'm over it! Would south Florida have been a better choice back in 2013 when I was considering it?

If it's too cold for you leave. You've always said that no one has to stay in a place and be unhappy


I'm enjoying this, as we all know the BIG HEAT will be here soon enough.