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Old 01-16-2021, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Peoria, AZ
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PV was killed by Desert Ridge, Kierland, and Scottsdale Quarter as well as a lot of investment by its parent company in Fashion Square. Those 4 malls sucked the life out of PV.
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Old 01-16-2021, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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There are many malls doing just fine (sans covid).
Scottsdale Fashion Square is still doing gangbusters
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Old 01-17-2021, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Scottsdale Fashion Square is still doing gangbusters
So is Arrowhead...or at least it was before covid. It didn't matter when I went there...it was always so crowded it was almost uncomfortable to walk around.
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Old 01-17-2021, 10:18 AM
 
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I dont understand Macy's but malls are nice to walk around in. That said during over with the headcount cutoffs, I find it to be the real problem with malls. Many stores are very compact and cannot have more than 30 people at a time and get a line of 30+ people waiting in line. Seen this with Hot Topic which is already a tight store that you can maybe get 30 tops in without Covid...

As for PV Mall, the ascetic of the mall is very dated. Arizona Mills looks more contemporary, while Fashion Square and Arrowhead Malls are much more modern. I'm not saying that to bash PV Mall, but it was dated looking. Often dated malls, end up dead malls. Look at MetroCenter Mall for instance.




yes, the aesthetic is very ascetic indeed
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Old 01-17-2021, 12:44 PM
 
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First metro center now PV. In general I think shopping malls may be a thing of the past or at least there will be far fewer of them in the future.

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Scottsdale Fashion Square is still doing gangbusters
It certainly wasnt like that in 2013 which, IMO was the year the recession ended. Used to be a lot of empty retail space and I know they were considering closing it at one point.
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Old 01-17-2021, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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First metro center now PV. In general I think shopping malls may be a thing of the past or at least there will be far fewer of them in the future.

It certainly wasnt like that in 2013 which, IMO was the year the recession ended. Used to be a lot of empty retail space and I know they were considering closing it at one point.
Well this isn't 2013, we go there regularly as it's relatively close to us, and it's showing no signs of decline the last several years
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Old 01-17-2021, 04:15 PM
 
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It's good to know there are plans in the works for redevelopment. Would hate to see it sit and become a blight and/or crime center. Hope everything comes together as planned!

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-no...ould-look-like
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Old 01-17-2021, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Buckeye, AZ
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So is Arrowhead...or at least it was before covid. It didn't matter when I went there...it was always so crowded it was almost uncomfortable to walk around.
The few post covid times I have went it is doing pretty good. Hot Topic has been super hard to get into. The only downside is that Sears and Forever 21 are empty anchors.

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Old 01-17-2021, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Queen Creek, AZ
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The few past covid times I have went it is doing pretty good. Hot Topic has been super hard to get into. The only downside is that Sears and Forever 21 are empty anchors.
Arrowhead as far as I know is one of the healthier malls in the Phoenix area and the Arrowhead Macy's is one of Macy's strongest stores, along with Scottsdale Fashion Square and Chandler Fashion Center, with Biltmore and SanTan Village just behind them. Superstition Springs I think is one of their mid-tier stores, and Macy's added the Backstage concept to many of their mid-tier stores in effort to boost traffic (Superstition Springs included).
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Old 01-21-2021, 07:03 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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The funny thing is that everything else around the mall seems to be doing quite well. The demographics of the area are decent, which is why it's baffling that the mall itself has done as poorly as it has. A lot of it has to do with simple lack of investment into the place itself. It was never renovated to keep it up to date with the times and changing tastes. It still looks much the same as it did in the 80s/90s.
This is what's surprising about PV. Most of the time, dying malls like that are in declining neighborhood but in the case of PV mall that's not the case. That's an excellent part of town, but there's something about the mall. Hopefully it gets bulldozed and redeveloped into something.
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