08-04-2008, 12:39 PM
Location: the AZ desert
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bungle
The shade structures on the stations are more than sufficient for the amount of wait time riders will have until the next train. According to the Valley Metro website trains will arrive ever 10 minutes during the day...more than likely it will take you longer to walk to the station than waiting for the next train. I suspect that if the sun is that much of a factor for someone they will bring an umbrella for shade.
Just what I want to do in 100+ degree weather... lug around an umbrella so I could wait at the light rail in shade. That would be in addition to anything else I may need to carry, ie a laptop, lunch, and for some a handbag.
The more inconvienent/uncomfortable they make it to use the light rail, the less it will be used.
08-04-2008, 02:37 PM
Location: East Central Phoenix
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Shade?! We don't need no stinkin' shade! Shade trees are too costly as far as water and upkeep. This is the desert. If you don't like our wonderful, blazing skin cancer causing sunshine, MOVE! If you don't like our blast furnace, heat stroke causing hot weather, MOVE! We worship the sun here! Most of us moved here for the sunny climate. Wonderful wonderful wonderful sunshine! We don't need a bunch of green, water wasting, high maintenance shade trees to block the glorious sun ... or block the beautiful views of our brown mountains.
That's all I have to say about that. Sarcasm over for today.
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08-04-2008, 03:19 PM
Location: Tempe, AZ
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08-04-2008, 03:29 PM
Location: Tempe, AZ
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You might also take note that each station has a water fountain.
08-04-2008, 04:13 PM
Location: the AZ desert
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[quote=Bungle;4727987]I took these today around 12pm...they are 3 of the stops downtown...you might not notice the details of the shade structures just driving by them but once you get up close you'll see a lot of thought went in to provide plenty of shade. The awnings above and the 'louvers' on the inside are situated so that there will always be shade no matter what time of day it is. Also the mesh screens will be planted with vines to create a sun barrier on either side. If this isn't sufficient for the 10 minutes MAX to wait for the next train then I don't know what is.../quote]
08-04-2008, 04:18 PM
Location: Phoenix metro
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Bungle
You might also take note that each station has a water fountain.
That will more than likely spew out hot water. Ive yet to find a drinking fountain in AZ that didnt shoot out coffee-hot water into my mouth.
Well, not
that hot of course, but definitely warm and definitely not refreshing. I even let the fountain at Camelback run for about a minute and rechecked it.... still nasty warm.
Those pics definitely help give me an idea of what the stations look like. They do seem to offer shade, but I think they could offer a little more. Do they have misting systems on them? That might help, too.
08-04-2008, 04:24 PM
Location: the AZ desert
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Steve-o
That will more than likely spew out hot water. Ive yet to find a drinking fountain in AZ that didnt shoot out coffee-hot water into my mouth.
Well, not
that hot of course, but definitely warm and definitely not refreshing. I even let the fountain at Camelback run for about a minute and rechecked it.... still nasty warm.
Those pics definitely help give me an idea of what the stations look like. They do seem to offer shade, but I think they could offer a little more. Do they have misting systems on them? That might help, too.
You're right: the water will probably be unrefreshingly warm. I hadn't even thought of that. You are also right about the misting system. That would make a huge difference.
08-04-2008, 04:45 PM
Location: Inside the 101
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
joninaz
Even if you're a huge fan of the forthcoming system, one has to admit that the stations are incredibly scant on protection from the elements.
I disagree emphatically. The innovative sail-like design at the light rail stations provides far more shade than the flat canopies used at light rail stations in other cities. I've looked at the stations during all hours of the day during the summer months, and what impresses me is that the seats below are in shade almost all the time. This would not occur with a more conventional design, which is designed to protect more from rain or snow than sun. A plain flat canopy would protect from the midday sun, but do nothing about bright sun coming in sideways during the morning and afternoon rush hours. The sail-like design adopted does just that. It shields from the sun, regardless of its angle at different times of the day. Instead of being a design badly copied from other cities, this is an intelligent adaption to our climate. It's also far better than most bus shelters around town, which use the flat roof design and therefore provide shade during only a limited portion of the day.
...And for those situations which shade is not available, a wide-brimmed hat is a far easier to carry around for sun protection than an umbrella. In any case, bus ridership is higher than in years despite the poor shade at most bus stops. Light rail ridership will be just fine come December 27.
08-04-2008, 05:03 PM
Location: Inside the 101
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altus2006
Last week I spent some time online checking out the locations of the stations and was amazed that most are at least 12 blocks apart. Even if a person lives halfway between stops, walking 6 blocks in the heat to catch the rail would be impossible for a lot of people.
For the most part, stations are placed at half-mile intervals. That's generous compared to many other light rail systems around the country. Placing stations closer together would make the train unacceptably slow. Regardless, passengers are just as likely to walk to stations and wait at them in the Phoenix summer heat as they are in the cold winters of Minneapolis, Denver, or Salt Lake City, all of which have popular light rail systems. Even in Chicago, which uses heavy rail rather than light rail, most El stations outside the Loop are at least partially exposed to the elements. These cities all have high rail ridership despite challenging weather during part of the year. I see no reason why Phoenix will be different.
08-04-2008, 05:07 PM
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in mpls it's very easy to not be exposed to the elements due to the extensive skyway system and many building having double doors creating a corridor where commuters huddle while waiting for transit
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Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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