Electric Bill Shocker! (Glendale, Tempe: to live, cost of, moving)

[Ritchie_az]

"Actually after the utility company rebates, State and Federal Rebates and tax credits, the cost was less than 20K."

That is my point. The solar system probably costs around 60k, but everyone else (who do not benefit from your system, btw) paid 40k of it for you (I deserve a big thank you, I can tell you that!). If everyone in Arizona decided to go solar and use these tax credits and rebates, the government would either go broke (paying 40k to everyone), significantly raise taxes, steal from our grandchildren (which is the most likely option) or stop the rebate/tax credit programs (unfortunately, that is the least likely option). It's not sustainable.
But as long as it is not used widespread, the taxpayers don't notice.

[cap1717]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

I've been "under" for a few billing cycles now. It is interesting that they adjust up at the drop of a hat, but adjust down only after a significant accumulation of your money in their account.

That has not been my experience with APS. They adjust every 6 months, if necessary and my payments have gone both up and down, depending on my usage.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by Ritchie_az

"Actually after the utility company rebates, State and Federal Rebates and tax credits, the cost was less than 20K."

That is my point. The solar system probably costs around 60k, but everyone else (who do not benefit from your system, btw) paid 40k of it for you (I deserve a big thank you, I can tell you that!). If everyone in Arizona decided to go solar and use these tax credits and rebates, the government would either go broke (paying 40k to everyone), significantly raise taxes, steal from our grandchildren (which is the most likely option) or stop the rebate/tax credit programs (unfortunately, that is the least likely option). It's not sustainable.
But as long as it is not used widespread, the taxpayers don't notice.

Yet, we are encouraging alternatives to the "normal" or "regular" utilities.

In reality my system was closer to 75K to power our property. We have over 6,000 sq ft with the 2 a/c's, the pool, the barn and trainers quarters etc., etc., -

And, I'll thank you nonetheless - and everyone else. Of course, a lot of those rebates came from the Utility companies - not simply the state or fed rebates.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Yet, we are encouraging alternatives to the "normal" or "regular" utilities.

In reality my system was closer to 75K to power our property. We have over 6,000 sq ft with the 2 a/c's, the pool, the barn and trainers quarters etc., etc., -

And, I'll thank you nonetheless - and everyone else. Of course, a lot of those rebates came from the Utility companies - not simply the state or fed rebates.

Very true...the utilities give the rebate for a break in their own accounting and taxing scheme, LOL! We aren't taking taxes from the system, especially from grandchildren and grandma's medical/social security to power-up solar installments. Also, the more we resist change and future technologies and alternative sources the more our grandchildren will have to pay for our disregard and fear of change in the form of ruined ecologies, environments, and added cost of future mass implementation rather than a sustainable gradual and consistent implementation.

[Ritchie_az]

"the more we resist change and future technologies and alternative sources the more our grandchildren will have to pay for our disregard and fear of change in the form of ruined ecologies, environments, and added cost of future mass implementation rather than a sustainable gradual and consistent implementation."




Yeah, clean coal sure is evil. (And those dam big oil companies and Republicans, too! They just want to destroy everything!)
Let's all hand over our wallets now, I certainly don't need the money I worked so hard for. Those who want to get off the power grid need it much more than I do. They are so deserving because they are just sooo green. (Good grief!)

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by Ritchie_az

"the more we resist change and future technologies and alternative sources the more our grandchildren will have to pay for our disregard and fear of change in the form of ruined ecologies, environments, and added cost of future mass implementation rather than a sustainable gradual and consistent implementation."




Yeah, clean coal sure is evil. (And those dam big oil companies and Republicans, too! They just want to destroy everything!)
Let's all hand over our wallets now, I certainly don't need the money I worked so hard for. Those who want to get off the power grid need it much more than I do. They are so deserving because they are just sooo green. (Good grief!)

No such thing as "clean coal." the actual process is carbon capture...and all that captured waste has to go somewhere, and you guessed it, it goes back to polluting the earth. Also, the cost of a carbon capture plant is ASTRONOMICALLY high...one plant dwarfs the cost of a huge solar energy farm. As for green, it is all of our responsibilities and not just energy companies. Some sacrifice by us all for the good of everyone.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by Ritchie_az

Those who want to get off the power grid need it much more than I do. They are so deserving because they are just sooo green. (Good grief!)

Understand please, I am off the grid because there was no alternative.

[fcorrales80]

About carbon capture: washingtonpost.com

It is not clean as it is disposed of via the earth. There is no expense, waste, harm, untested science that is comparable with solar to carbon capture.

[Ritchie_az]

It's nothing against you, Greatday. If someone offered me $50,000, I would not say no. I'm just saying the government can only give a very small portion of the population that kind of money (or redistribute that kind of money, I should say), or else they'll run out very quickly. Can you imagine if every Arizona household got a check for $50,000 from the government? We're talking over 50 trillion dollars!

fcorrales80 and I had this discussion on another thread. The conclusion I came to is that to fcorrales80, it is not about the environment or the economy, but about politics. fcorrales80 is a statist, and as long as that statist agenda can be inacted, well, the ends justify the means. fcorrales80 wasn't interested in learning and actual debate, and followed none of the links I posted and answered none of the questions I poised. I, on the other hand, followed every link (including the one posted above) and made an effort to answer all questions by fcorrales80. It was very one-sided.
So I decided not to debate fcorrales80 on this topic any further, because it is pointless.

[azriverfan.]

APS is a complete scam. My SRP bill with my house is over $100 cheaper than my APS bill with my former apartment. And I run my AC 5 degrees cooler with my house. And prior to that apartment in Glendale, I owned a home in Tempe with SRP and it too was considerably cheaper than that apartment.