I miss AZ!! (Tempe: oceanfront, apartment complex, home)

[acrylic]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

In all fairness; if I had to live back east, North Carolina would not be bad

Very true, I've heard nothing but good things about NC, though I haven't been there myself.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by acrylic

Very true, I've heard nothing but good things about NC, though I haven't been there myself.

Bible belt, segregation, halfbacks and hurricanes.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Bible belt, segregation, halfbacks and hurricanes.

Actually: North Carolina is a lot more modern than many people realize.

[acrylic]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

Actually: North Carolina is a lot more modern than many people realize.

Yeah, I was going to say, segregation ended a long time ago, not to mention, I've seen places like Raleigh on Forbes lists for a while now. So it can't be that bad.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Bible belt, segregation, halfbacks and hurricanes.

It is the south, having lived there as I was stationed in the military and so was my father, it isn't too friendly a place. Even the cities had an "air" of racial tension and prejudice. It wasn't a very comfortable place to live if you happen to not be white or white-enough.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by fcorrales80

It is the south, having lived there as I was stationed in the military and so was my father, it isn't too friendly a place. Even the cities had an "air" of racial tension and prejudice. It wasn't a very comfortable place to live if you happen to not be white or white-enough.

That is both sad and interesting; I thought that most of that racial crap would have gone by the wayside in your lifetime--------especially for members of the military.

Years ago; during the Jim Crow era, some Anglo White kids of Italian, etc. heritage had to attend the 'Colored' schools since they had olive complexions. Flip side: some Japanese/Chinese children in certain states were counted as 'White' so Jim Crow did not apply to them. And of course; one vicious White supremacist of the Bull Connor variety/era would be Judge Leander Perez (Spanish background) in St Bernard Parish, La.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

That is both sad and interesting; I thought that most of that racial crap would have gone by the wayside in your lifetime--------especially for members of the military.

Years ago; during the Jim Crow era, some Anglo White kids of Italian, etc. heritage had to attend the 'Colored' schools since they had olive complexions. Flip side: some Japanese/Chinese children in certain states were counted as 'White' so Jim Crow did not apply to them. And of course; one vicious White supremacist of the Bull Connor variety/era would be Judge Leander Perez (Spanish background) in St Bernard Parish, La.

Oh bear, that is soooo naive... LOL! Sorry, but the south still isn't free of racial tension. Hell Detroit isn't free of racial tension. Remember Katrina and the fighting about it being a black city therefore the help came painfully slow...the "chocolate city" remark made by certain people because of this racial tension. Even L.A.! This city, despite putting out an image of racial equality, is a VERY segregated society much like Chicago and Philadelphia. This is what makes Phoenix much better. While there is some issues in Phoenix, mainly against hispanics, it is MUCH less an issue compared to other states and other cities...MUCH less. Usually the only thing in Phoenix is hispanics being profiled by the sheriff's department...LOL! I think that is the last bastion of segregation here. But the culture, the people, the attitude of the state and Phoenix metro is not one of segregation like other American cities. It is a weird dichotomy.

And as for the military issue, I didn't have my uniform on 24/7.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by acrylic

Yeah, I was going to say, segregation ended a long time ago, not to mention, I've seen places like Raleigh on Forbes lists for a while now. So it can't be that bad.

On what planet? Segregation is the norm in most cities of the US. In many places, particularly in the southern cities, people mix in the day at work, but come 5 pm they go home to their segregated neighborhoods. I know that many prefer it that way. I don't and I consider that a negative.

Race stuff has a totally different vibe here than in NC. People in Phoenix and the new west cities are segregated as well but typically only in one dimension - along economic lines. So there are rich, poor, and middle class areas but not separate rich (white, Asian, black, Hispanic, Jewish etc) ones, poor (white, Asian, black,Hispanic, Jewish etc) ones and so on.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

On what planet? Segregation is the norm in most cities of the US. In many places, particularly in the southern cities, people mix in the day at work, but come 5 pm they go home to their segregated neighborhoods. I know that many prefer it that way. I don't and I consider that a negative.

Race stuff has a totally different vibe here than in NC. People in Phoenix and the new west cities are segregated as well but typically only in one dimension - along economic lines. So there are rich, poor, and middle class areas but not separate rich (white, Asian, black, Hispanic, Jewish etc) ones, poor (white, Asian, black,Hispanic, Jewish etc) ones and so on.

This is true, but it isn't like there is going to be a million dollar mansion next to a $150,000 suburban cookie cutter house...but I do understand what you are saying as it is very true. However, the only difference would be in the urban areas. A 1 million dollar condo can be next to a nice apartment complex like Roosevelt with $1500/mth one bedroom apt, next to a restored historic apartment building with a quaint studio for $600 a month, next to a low income family in a historic home that has been in the family since the 20's etc. This is what I love about the central city areas, Tempe, etc. Very cool diversity and inclusion on all economic lines and every type of person you can think of...

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by fcorrales80

This is true, but it isn't like there is going to be a million dollar mansion next to a $150,000 suburban cookie cutter house...but I do understand what you are saying as it is very true. However, the only difference would be in the urban areas. A 1 million dollar condo can be next to a nice apartment complex like Roosevelt with $1500/mth one bedroom apt, next to a restored historic apartment building with a quaint studio for $600 a month, next to a low income family in a historic home that has been in the family since the 20's etc. This is what I love about the central city areas, Tempe, etc. Very cool diversity and inclusion on all economic lines and every type of person you can think of...

Good point. The urban areas do have more diversity of all kinds than the suburban ones do.