Single driver in HOV lane. (limits)

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by need_some_sun

They do this in Minneapolis- sell passes for the HOV. It works pretty well! I'd pay!

Unfortunately, there are a lot of rich people in the Phoenix metro and it would defeat the purpose of hot lanes as a lot of people would buy them. When they allowed the exception for Hybrid vehicles in the HOV lanes, Hybrids were so difficult to find here and those special plates and tages sold out quickly. That's Phoenix for you.

[azdr0710]

Originally Posted by DixieWrecked

otherwise it's the fast lane.

there is no such thing as a "fast lane"....drivers in all lanes of a highway must observe the speed limit.....only vehicles who are passing should be in the far left lane of a multi-lane freeway, then those vehicles need to move to the right when done actively passing....

the HOV lane, whether rush hour or not, is NOT a lane in which speeding is allowed or excused....it is NOT an "express" lane, despite appearances.....it is a lane for HOV during rush hour and just another lane during non-rush hour.....

however, what happens "on the ground", of course, varies widely from the driver's manual.....

[Stolman]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

All that stuff was revoked several years ago. CNG cars were not actually using CNG. It was all a tax scam. The only ones that get the plates anymore are a few hybrid models and that was limited by number as well. You could try carpooling in that cruiser. Should be plenty of room.

Or perhaps one could purchase a vehicle with an existing Alt Fuel plate. As an aside, I have been driving my Alt Fuel P/U (50 gal propane tank in the bed) in the HOV lane since I bought it in 2000 and have never had a problem with the HP MC cops parked on the inside lane during rush hour. (This with no special sticker on the plate)

[Jukesgrrl]

Originally Posted by DixieWrecked

Yes there is, the far left lane is always the fast lane. On multi-lane freeways there is no such thing as a passing lane.

The HOV lane is the fast lane when not being used during the HOV times.

If you're not going at least 5 over, you have no business being in the left lane.

That's another urban myth that you only WISH were true. Anyone going over the speed limit, no matter what lane is liable to be ticketed no matter what lane they're in. And the passing lane -- for faster vehicles, NOT vehicles going OVER the speed limit -- is where one is supposed to pass slower vehicles. I know people in Arizona routinely use the speed LIMIT as a suggested starting point, but that's certainly not the law and as long as people are driving the limit, they are just as lawfully using the far left lane as you are.

[kdog]

Originally Posted by Jukesgrrl

That's another urban myth that you only WISH were true. Anyone going over the speed limit, no matter what lane is liable to be ticketed no matter what lane they're in. And the passing lane -- for faster vehicles, NOT vehicles going OVER the speed limit -- is where one is supposed to pass slower vehicles. I know people in Arizona routinely use the speed LIMIT as a suggested starting point, but that's certainly not the law and as long as people are driving the limit, they are just as lawfully using the far left lane as you are.

It's no myth, it's a fact. Slower drivers are supposed to keep right. It's NOT your job to enforce speed limits. You have no idea why the person in back of you wants to go faster than the speed limit. Maybe they're rushing their pregnant wife to the hospital. People are going to drive faster than the speed limit regardless of what you do and forcing them to weave through traffic creates a hazard for all of us. YOU are driving unsafely if you are a left-lane hog. Drive defensively and keep right unless you are passing.

[observer53]

This isn't a speed limit thread, folks (I think we have, or have had at least one of those ) Steer back to topic, regardless of which lane you are in.

[rjrcm]

Originally Posted by DixieWrecked

Arizona has prima facie speed limits, not maximum speed limits, don't get those mixed up. ...

Moderator - sorry for off topic, but wanted to correct this, understand if you feel a need to delete. AZ does have maximum speed limits check Chapter 3, Article 6 here:

Arizona Revised Statutes

[PheenixJobless]

Originally Posted by azdr0710

there is no such thing as a "fast lane"....drivers in all lanes of a highway must observe the speed limit.....only vehicles who are passing should be in the far left lane of a multi-lane freeway, then those vehicles need to move to the right when done actively passing....

the HOV lane, whether rush hour or not, is NOT a lane in which speeding is allowed or excused....it is NOT an "express" lane, despite appearances.....it is a lane for HOV during rush hour and just another lane during non-rush hour.....

however, what happens "on the ground", of course, varies widely from the driver's manual.....

Good luck trying to get people to change though. It keeps getting worse as far as aggressive behavior.

[Sco]

Originally Posted by DixieWrecked

There are no maximum speed limits in Phoenix.

Sorry, but you are wrong on this. The statutes actually have a list of what are considered the maximum speeds and the "reasonable and prudent" clause only serves to establish a lower maximum speed when conditions warrant.

B. Except as provided in subsections C and D of this section or except if a special hazard requires a lesser speed, any speed in excess of the following speeds is prima facie evidence that the speed is too great and therefore unreasonable:
1. Fifteen miles per hour approaching a school crossing.
2. Twenty-five miles per hour in a business or residential district.
3. Sixty-five miles per hour in other locations.

A second list of maximum speeds that if exceeded are actually treated as a criminal misdemeanor.

28-701.02. Excessive speeds; classification
A. A person shall not:
1. Exceed thirty-five miles per hour approaching a school crossing.
2. Exceed the posted speed limit in a business or residential district by more than twenty miles per hour, or if no speed limit is posted, exceed forty-five miles per hour.
3. Exceed eighty-five miles per hour in other locations.
B. A person who violates subsection A of this section is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.
C. A person charged with a violation of this section may not be issued a civil complaint for a violation of section 28-701 if the civil complaint alleges a violation arising out of the same circumstances.

[rjrcm]

Originally Posted by DixieWrecked

There are no maximum speed limits in Phoenix.

So all those posted speed limits are friendly suggestions? I guess you didn't bother to read the statutes at the link. Sco made it easy for you.