Another beautiful evening for a "beating" at the ballpark! (Pittsburgh: attorney, price)

[Drover]

Originally Posted by pman

you 100% misssed the point. of course it should be fairly easy to resist a police beatdown but that in no way justifies excessive use of force. yeah, the guy was in the wrong, but that's not what I'm saying though it seems to color the perceptions of people who support police brutality
at the very least, it appears it is not nearly as cut and dry "the cops were right" as you would assert

Read more: Police reviewing arrest of man at PNC Park
elbowing a stadium personel is not the same as assaulting an officer anywhere on this planet

Hate to tell you this, but it's a lot more cut-and-dry than you're making it out to be. Of the entire encounter, the one part she expressed "concern" about was putting a knee on the back of his neck to keep him pinned down while they cuffed him. The well-earned nighstick massage didn't seem to merit a mention of concern. Like I said, I've got 3-1 odds on these fellows being exonerated. Let's reconvene on April 26th and find out who's right.

This is the most important sentence to take away from that article: "[Pittinger] had a recommendation for those encountering police: Comply."

[Aqua Teen Carl]

I sincerely hope no poster in this thread is a victim of what some overzealous officer who wants to give out a "a well-earned nightstick massage". Call me crazy, but I wouldn't want my skull and/or collar bone caved in because some guy who was supposed to be serving and protecting is making a bad judgment call. Whether or not you agree with these particular circumstances doesn't mean this can't happen to you or your family by an angry cop who is having a bad day.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

I sincerely hope no poster in this thread is a victim of what some overzealous officer who wants to give out a "a well-earned nightstick massage". Call me crazy, but I wouldn't want my skull and/or collar bone caved in because some guy who was supposed to be serving and protecting is making a bad judgment call. Whether or not you agree with these particular circumstances doesn't mean this can't happen to you or your family by an angry cop who is having a bad day.

If you don't want to earn a nightstick massage, I suggest not becoming a belligerent, violent, non-compliant imbecile. Do that and your chances of getting a tuneup drop by roughly 100%.

[Aqua Teen Carl]

Originally Posted by Drover

If you don't want to earn a nightstick massage, I suggest not becoming a belligerent, violent, non-compliant imbecile. Do that and your chances of getting a tuneup drop by roughly 100%.

If you were in the situation, would you want someone else to make that judgment call as to whether you met that criteria before they caved your skull in? Keep in mind what you consider "belligerent, violent, non-compliant" may be different to them. You, your friends, or your family might fit that criteria just by having a good time while tailgating.

I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around you pro-authoritarian folks, as if you are somehow immune from being the victim of cop with bad judgment. People have been beat up by police for far less than this guy at PNC Park, go check out Liveleak.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Aqua Teen Carl

If you were in the situation, would you want someone else to make that judgment call as to whether you met that criteria before they caved your skull in? Keep in mind what you consider "belligerent, violent, non-compliant" may be different to them.

I'm just having a hard time wrapping my head around you pro-authoritarian folks, as if you are somehow immune from being the victim of cop with bad judgment. People have been beat up by police for far less than this guy at PNC Park, go check out Liveleak.

Of course I wouldn't want someone else to make that judgment call. But once my conduct puts the LEOs in the position where they have to make that call, it's not my call any more -- I've made it theirs. Which is why I conduct myself in a way so as to not put them in that position when I have an encounter with them. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around you anti-authoritarian folks who believe you get to dictate the outcome of a violent encounter with authorities that your actions precipitated.

[greg42]

You don't have to be violent yourself to have the authorities use violence on you. That's the problem.

I suppose that's really drifting away from the topic of the thread, don't know. Honestly, the story of the guy at PNC isn't one I've been following.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by greg42

You don't have to be violent yourself to have the authorities use violence on you. That's the problem.

But that's not the problem in this instance. And even though what you say is true, your chances of getting roughed up increase dramatically when you become violent and/or resist arrest. On the flipside, your chances of leaving an encounter untouched also increase dramatically by being nonviolent and compliant.

[youngabe]

Hey...here's an idea...don't act like an imbecile in public...or in general, follow the rules, and no one will ever have a run in with the law! That simple fact has been pretty easy for me and my life...not sure why others have a hard time avoiding physical confrontations with police officers.

I think this moron deserved it. It wasn't like Mom, Dad, and their two kids were leaving the game and Dad shouted something loudly and then was beaten and tased. This man was asking for it. If police didn't do anything, then we'd all be upset because the police turned the other cheek.

I don't like how everyone always jumps to scrutinize how police officers handle situations. They ARE NOT innocent, they're HUMAN, I'll gladly agree there...they WILL make mistakes. I personally sit at a desk all day for work and don't stare in the face of danger, like they do, on a day-to-day basis. If I was an officer (which I could never be, so I have a lot of respect for anyone who is) I could see being a little more "jumpy." In this day and age, you never know if the "drunken moron at the ballpark" is going to pull a gun or not. It's appalling he behaved this way in an event that is supposed to be family friendly. With that being said, let's not lose sight of who is at fault here...HIM, he is NOT the "victim" in any way, shape, or form.

[youngabe]

Anonymous Man Posts Bond For PNC Park Taser Suspect - News Story - WPXI Pittsburgh

Guaranteed this moron will become the "victim" here. Unreal. We sure aren't responsible for our own actions these days...that's for damn sure.

[psulions2007]

I'm going to place blame for this incident on the Nut. Surely he did something to cause this to happen.