02-06-2012, 10:46 AM
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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How sad that would be, one of the coolest structures ever built replaced by a stinkin' Wal-Mart.
02-06-2012, 02:59 PM
Location: Pittsburgh
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My biggest rejection to a Wal-Mart on the Civic Arena site is simple...that's prime real estate and has the potential to have much better tenants than a Wal-Mart store. Basic logic if you ask me.
No offense, but it isn't "prime" real estate. It is okay real estate with a huge hill and roads to cross to try and walk into downtown. Lets look at a little example to put things into perspective, shall we? Are the South Side Flats the same price as the Slops?
Please stop kidding yourselves. That area is okay, but nothing special. People don't like to walk huge hills and deal with a 6 lane road to try and walk to downtown. Sure some are okay with it, but most hate crap like that. Wish as you may, but all here are going to be disappointed. I know real estate and if they would have used the Arena as a market and made the area really cool and artsy, it might have worked. Best case is a bunch of basic row homes and hopefully a few drugs stores is what is going to be there. Maybe a Target or a Walmart. Sure everyone is dreaming os some great neighborhood, but we aren't growing enough to speculate on such a thing. Not popular, but the truth. Sorry to rain on the parade.
02-06-2012, 04:23 PM
Location: Pittsburgh
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h_curtis
Just read them all. Seems like a variety store like Walmart would be a good fit.
Actually it really would be.
Back in the 70's, low-priced variety stores like Woolworth's, Murphy's and Grant's were what brought most of the throngs to town. Those places are out of business, but Walmart and other large box retailers are their successors in marketing to the hoi polloi.
The Macys' Larimor's and Saks' of this world are fine, but most of the people in the city are looking to save money and get things cheap.
Not everyone can, or even wants to, spend all kinds of cash for their basic living expenses. And that is especially true among folks taking busses from working class kind of areas in the city.
If not Wal-mart, it would be nice to see some Family Dollars or Dollar Generals or Targets in town.
02-06-2012, 06:08 PM
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To make rent Downtown, a discount retailer will likely need to have some crossover appeal with the commuter crowd. That is Target's forte, so I would suggest they are the best bet.
02-06-2012, 06:13 PM
Location: Greensburg, PA
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I was just curious but could anyone see a Walmart or a small variation of it (Target is already in East Liberty) go on the former site of the Civic Arena? There's no major retailer serving the Hill or the vicinity of as far as I know. The only thing I could imagine is the backlash of preservationists and other people if they found out the Civic Arena is being replaced by a Walmart.
02-06-2012, 06:33 PM
Location: Pittsburgh
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To make rent Downtown, a discount retailer will likely need to have some crossover appeal with the commuter crowd. That is Target's forte, so I would suggest they are the best bet.
So you now agree a variety store could be fit? You are just saying Target, which is another Chinese importer. That is it? All those attacking personal post and now you are saying you accept Target and it meets YOUR approval? Not Walmart, but Target is okay? Whatever Brian.
So long as you approve, all is grand. Glad you are okay with the Hill to have some place to shop.
Or downtown.
Problem is, the subject started by the OP is about Walmart, not Target.
02-06-2012, 09:33 PM
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Target has a proven urban store format for city centers:
Target Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And yes, that is not the same as "a big Super Walmart where the Civic arena was" that would have a "[b]ig parking lot and good visibility" and would be "the center piece" of the Lower Hill redevelopment.
That obvious point made, this thread was originally not about Walmart's supercenters, but rather their Neighborhood Markets concept, which is a form of grocery store that is a fraction of the size of their supercenters. The notion one of those could locate Downtown is less obviously the bitter rantings of a person who can't let the Civic Arena issue go, but as I noted before, I only think that could possibly work in the near future Downtown if they planned to offer fresh prepared foods for the lunch crowd.
02-07-2012, 11:41 AM
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I've been to the Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market in Chicago, and as a Wal-Mart hater myself, I'd LOVE to have one these in downtown Pittsburgh. Anywhere!
02-07-2012, 11:43 AM
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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Then again, what the hell. Replacing the Civic Arena with a Wal-Mart can't be any worse than replacing the Syria Mosque with a parking lot.
02-07-2012, 11:47 AM
Location: Portland, OR
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I've been to the Wal-Mart Neighborhood Market in Chicago, and as a Wal-Mart hater myself, I'd LOVE to have one these in downtown Pittsburgh. Anywhere!
That doesn't look bad. But what is a Neighborhhod Market, as opposed to a Super Walmart? Is it just a grocery store. It looks a bit small.
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House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
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Fatal accidents locations in 2009
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Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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Please stop kidding yourselves. That area is okay, but nothing special. People don't like to walk huge hills and deal with a 6 lane road to try and walk to downtown. Sure some are okay with it, but most hate crap like that. Wish as you may, but all here are going to be disappointed. I know real estate and if they would have used the Arena as a market and made the area really cool and artsy, it might have worked. Best case is a bunch of basic row homes and hopefully a few drugs stores is what is going to be there. Maybe a Target or a Walmart. Sure everyone is dreaming os some great neighborhood, but we aren't growing enough to speculate on such a thing. Not popular, but the truth. Sorry to rain on the parade.
So long as you approve, all is grand. Glad you are okay with the Hill to have some place to shop. 
Or downtown. 
