Pittsburgh... Expanded (Penn Hills, Mount Lebanon, Lebanon: home, top school, taxes)

[zman63]

Originally Posted by speagles84

Although I like the idea, it won't ever happen. As for growth, I feel as though you know my opinion about it in the city. Its going to happen this census, and its not going to be a growth of 100,000 people. Its going to be small to modest growths (10,000-30,000) per decade. Manageable growth is smart growth. Even with these fake expanded borders, the growth couldn't be explosive since all that I included were all already built up.

10000-30000 every ten years could happen. It will depend on few things. The city public schools need to show tremendous improvement. There also has to be a dramatic increase in the amount of business startups in the city limits. If those things do not happen i do not see 10-30k as an attainable number every ten years.

Jobs will get people here and a better public school system keep them here.

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by speagles84

One major topic always argued about on this forum is about how small Pittsburgh's borders are, making the city have a tiny portion of the land. Although this will never happened, I expanded Pittsburgh's borders to make it comparable to our neighbor, Philadelphia (~135 square miles). I tried to only add denser, more city like neighborhoods.

If Pittsburgh Annexed:
South
Baldwin, Baldwin Township, Whitehall, Brentwood, Mt. Oliver, Mt. Lebanon, Castle Shannon, Dormont, Scott Township, Heidelburg, Homestead, West Homestead, Homestead, Whitaker, Munhall, Duquesne
West
Carnegie, Thornburg, Rossalyn Farms, Crafton, Ingram, Stowe Township, McKeesRocks, Bellevue
North
Reserve Township, Millvale, Etna, Sharpsburg, Aspinwall
East
Penn Hills, Wilkinsburg, Churchill, Wilkins Township, Edgewood, Swissvale, Forest Hills, Rankin, Braddock, Braddock Hills, North Braddock, East Pittsburgh, Turtle Creek, Wilmerding

It would approximately be the size of Philadelphia area wise, and not change demographically drastically, with the exception of income.

New Pittsburgh:
Population - 615,494
SQ MILE - 134.9 mi^2
Pop Density - 4562.6 people/mi^2
Average Family Income - $51,322
White Population - 430,805 (69.9%)
African American Population - 148,002 (24.1%)
Asian American Population - 21,255 (3.5%)
Hispanic Population - 11,681 (2.0%)
Other Population - 3,741 (0.5%)

Thoughts?

Well Done! This really should be the True Borders of the city. I've always said Pittsburgh functions more like a city with a population of ~600K-700K as opposed to ~300K. You bring anyone to the Burgh during the Business Day and no way do they come away with the impression this only a city of ~300K

[eschaton]

Interesting premise. You missed two things though. Green Tree would remain an enclave within the city, as would Chalfant. In addition, Duquense wouldn't have a connection to the city unless you annexed West Mifflin to it, and you listed Homestead twice.

More comments incoming...

[speagles84]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Interesting premise. You missed two things though. Green Tree would remain an enclave within the city, as would Chalfant. In addition, Duquense wouldn't have a connection to the city unless you annexed West Mifflin to it, and you listed Homestead twice.

More comments incoming...

I did include Green tree haha forgot to put it on my list. Also, I believe across the river Duquesne has a border with Braddock and north Braddock. I didn't include west mifflin because it has plenty of open space and sprawl type areas.

[WannaBeAYinzer]

This idea is like the relationship between the piranha and the goldfish; after it is done the piranha has a bigger belly and all that is left of the goldfish are fish guts floating in the water. All this does is provide more victims for Pittsburgh's bloated public employees unions and welfare deadbeats to feed off. Were I resident of one of these places you plan to conquer, I would fight your scheme with every breath of my body. And if it should happen, I'd vacate the place as soon as possible.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by WannaBeAYinzer

This idea is like the relationship between the piranha and the goldfish; after it is done the piranha has a bigger belly and all that is left of the goldfish are fish guts floating in the water. All this does is provide more victims for Pittsburgh's bloated public employees unions and welfare deadbeats to feed off. Were I resident of one of these places you plan to conquer, I would fight your scheme with every breath of my body. And if it should happen, I'd vacate the place as soon as possible.

You know, for all that people say the suburbs are more peaceful, the actual people in the suburbs seem really tense.

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by speagles84

I did include Green tree haha forgot to put it on my list. Also, I believe across the river Duquesne has a border with Braddock and north Braddock. I didn't include west mifflin because it has plenty of open space and sprawl type areas.

Is Green Tree and Scott one in the same?

[that412]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

You know, for all that people say the suburbs are more peaceful, the actual people in the suburbs seem really tense.

What I find interesting is the refusal to acknowledge that these suburbs only even exist as prosperous places because of the presence of a major city at their core.

[ferraris]

There are cases of cities with multiple, completely separate, public school districts. That is the only way this could happen for most of the municipalities listed.

[Copanut]

Originally Posted by that412

What I find interesting is the refusal to acknowledge that these suburbs only even exist as prosperous places because of the presence of a major city at their core.

Refusal by whom? Most urban/suburban residents agree that it takes both working in harmony to maintain a solid economy. My guess is you live in the City.