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Old 07-26-2014, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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A day of sun. That was fun.
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Old 07-26-2014, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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am I the only one who finds Pittsburghers complaining about Seattle being cloudy and rainy ironic?
You might be. In the PNW the clouds and drizzle go on for months with no break. I mean not one random day of just partial sun. That doesn't happen here. Pittsburgh has its gloomy days but the weather is more changeable.
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Old 07-26-2014, 02:18 PM
 
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Seattle's 10-day extended forecast? Either completely sunny or partly sunny for all of the next ten days. No chance of rain. Highs in the upper-70s to lower-80s. Sounds sublime.
It is - they're having a fine summer over there. I was pedaling to Portland 2 weeks ago from Seattle and it was 100f+ about 1/2 way between the two cities on Saturday afternoon. That was a warm ride.

Seattle weather is heavily influenced by the El Nino/La Nina pattern. When it's El Nino (it's a mild one now), it's warm and dry in summer, and typically warmer and a little dryer in winter. When its the evil sister La Nina, it can rain all year, and really rain. I've seen huge logs floating down I90 when the Snoqualmie river burst it banks.

I spent a lot of time there in 3 or 4 La Nina 'summers' - there were pretty average and occasionally awful. But I personally love La Nina because she often brings prodigious amounts of snow in winter to the Cascades. Some of the finest skiing I've ever had

And I'm very attuned to Seattle weather as I have about 100 FB friends who live there, and it's not an uncommon topic of chat, especially amongst the cyclists.
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Old 07-26-2014, 05:07 PM
 
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I was thinking about this subject, because NOAA has Pittsburgh as one of the least sunny cities in the continental US (just a shade above Seattle and Portland). But it's worth having some perspective here: Pittsburgh still has 2000+ hours of sun a year. And according to this map, that would make it one of the sunnier places in Europe, comparable to Lyon, France.
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Old 07-26-2014, 05:34 PM
 
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OMG I moved from the most unhappiest place (New York) to the 2nd unhappiest place. Whats wrong with me ; and I had the american dream in both places!!
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Old 07-26-2014, 07:33 PM
 
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I was thinking about this subject, because NOAA has Pittsburgh as one of the least sunny cities in the continental US (just a shade above Seattle and Portland). But it's worth having some perspective here: Pittsburgh still has 2000+ hours of sun a year. And according to this map, that would make it one of the sunnier places in Europe, comparable to Lyon, France.
Precisely!!!
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:14 AM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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It is - they're having a fine summer over there.
They're actually having a summer over there, as opposed to an extended spring like the eastern United States. You know how many 90° days Atlanta has had this year? 12. That's well below average. Speaking of 12, that's the ongoing number of consecutive days that the temperature has failed to reach 90° in Atlanta, though it could be ended today.

You know what else is funny? There's been virtually no difference in sunshine between Pittsburgh, Atlanta and Nashville this summer. In fact, here are the daily cloud cover values for each city since June 1:


Pittsburgh: 4, 9, 7, 8, 5, 3, 3, 8, 10, 9, 10, 8, 7, 4, 2, 7, 7, 8, 9, 8, 7, 6, 7, 8, 8, 5, 5, 6, 9, 7, 6, 6, 6, 3, 4, 8, 8, 0, 4, 4, 3, 8, 9, 9, 7, 4, 3, 8, 10, 8, 5, 2, 7, 5, 4, 7.

Atlanta: 9, 7, 7, 5, 8, 7, 9, 8, 6, 7, 8, 7, 8, 5, 7, 5, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 7, 6, 8, 6, 8, 7, 8, 6, 8, 3, 5, 6, 5, 4, 5, 4, 5, 8, 8, 8, 5, 5, 6, 7, 5, 6, 9, 9, 10, 8, 8, 5, 5, 5, 0.

Nashville: 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 7, 8, 9, 9, 8, 6, 7, 3, 4, 3, 3, 5, 3, 4, 6, 7, 6, 8, 8, 9, 8, 7, 8, 5, 4, 6, 6, 2, 2, 4, 4, 8, 8, 7, 4, 4, 5, 8, 6, 3, 7, 10, 10, 7, 4, 6, 5, 6, 5, 0.

These numbers were taken directly from the National Weather Service office for each city. Clear days are shaded in BLUE, partly cloudy days in TURQUOISE, and cloudy days in GRAY.


Breaking it down further, here's the average daily cloud cover by month and for the entire period since June 1:


June

6.50 - Nashville
6.60 - Atlanta
6.80 - Pittsburgh

This means that Pittsburgh was 2% cloudier than Atlanta in June, and 3% cloudier than Nashville. What a huge difference. I'm sure it was noticeable.


July (through July 26)

5.42 - Nashville
5.46 - Pittsburgh
5.92 - Atlanta

This means that Pittsburgh has been nearly 5% clearer than Atlanta so far in July, and less than 1% cloudier than Nashville. Funny how I haven't heard any Atlantans bitching about the weather.


June-July (through July 26)

6.00 - Nashville
6.18 - Pittsburgh
6.29 - Atlanta

This means that 61.8% of the sky in Pittsburgh has been covered by clouds since June 1, compared to 60.0% of the sky in Nashville, and 62.9% of the sky in Atlanta. Hmmm...


The moral of this story is, if you're going to be an insufferable crybaby about the weather in Pittsburgh, make sure you don't move to Atlanta or Nashville if you expect more sunshine in the summer.


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A day of sun. That was fun.
And yet, the National Weather Service in Pittsburgh gave yesterday a '7' in terms of cloud cover. I guess even '6's and '7's aren't so bad when it comes to sunshine, which would explain why the National Weather Service considers values of '4' through '7' to be "partly cloudy."

Since June 1, there have been 10 days with a cloud cover value of '7' in Pittsburgh, which is exactly the same number as Atlanta, and only one fewer than Nashville.

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Old 07-27-2014, 08:15 AM
 
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I've been to Seattle once, in August. Awesome weather. Warm, clear, low humidity. Heard it was typical for summer. It sounds like it isn't always so awesome. Still, I love Seattle. If home prices were lower I would have considered moving there. I can handle grey weather. I lived a good portion of my life in SF's fog belt.
We spent May in Seattle. The weather was beautiful then too. We fell in love with the low humidity of Oregon and Washington. If the cost of living wasn't so high or we were in our 20s and just starting out, we'd move there in a heartbeat.
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Old 07-27-2014, 09:47 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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They're actually having a summer over there, as opposed to an extended spring like the eastern United States. You know how many 90° days Atlanta has had this year? 12. That's well below average. Speaking of 12, that's the ongoing number of consecutive days that the temperature has failed to reach 90° in Atlanta, though it could be ended today.

You know what else is funny? There's been virtually no difference in sunshine between Pittsburgh, Atlanta and Nashville this summer. In fact, here are the daily cloud cover values for each city since June 1:


Pittsburgh: 4, 9, 7, 8, 5, 3, 3, 8, 10, 9, 10, 8, 7, 4, 2, 7, 7, 8, 9, 8, 7, 6, 7, 8, 8, 5, 5, 6, 9, 7, 6, 6, 6, 3, 4, 8, 8, 0, 4, 4, 3, 8, 9, 9, 7, 4, 3, 8, 10, 8, 5, 2, 7, 5, 4, 7.

Atlanta: 9, 7, 7, 5, 8, 7, 9, 8, 6, 7, 8, 7, 8, 5, 7, 5, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 7, 6, 8, 6, 8, 7, 8, 6, 8, 3, 5, 6, 5, 4, 5, 4, 5, 8, 8, 8, 5, 5, 6, 7, 5, 6, 9, 9, 10, 8, 8, 5, 5, 5, 0.

Nashville: 6, 7, 7, 7, 8, 9, 7, 8, 9, 9, 8, 6, 7, 3, 4, 3, 3, 5, 3, 4, 6, 7, 6, 8, 8, 9, 8, 7, 8, 5, 4, 6, 6, 2, 2, 4, 4, 8, 8, 7, 4, 4, 5, 8, 6, 3, 7, 10, 10, 7, 4, 6, 5, 6, 5, 0.

These numbers were taken directly from the National Weather Service office for each city. Clear days are shaded in BLUE, partly cloudy days in TURQUOISE, and cloudy days in GRAY.


Breaking it down further, here's the average daily cloud cover by month and for the entire period since June 1:


June

6.50 - Nashville
6.60 - Atlanta
6.80 - Pittsburgh

This means that Pittsburgh was 2% cloudier than Atlanta in June, and 3% cloudier than Nashville. What a huge difference. I'm sure it was noticeable.


July (through July 26)

5.42 - Nashville
5.46 - Pittsburgh
5.92 - Atlanta

This means that Pittsburgh has been nearly 5% clearer than Atlanta so far in July, and less than 1% cloudier than Nashville. Funny how I haven't heard any Atlantans bitching about the weather.


June-July (through July 26)

6.00 - Nashville
6.18 - Pittsburgh
6.29 - Atlanta

This means that 61.8% of the sky in Pittsburgh has been covered by clouds since June 1, compared to 60.0% of the sky in Nashville, and 62.9% of the sky in Atlanta. Hmmm...


The moral of this story is, if you're going to be an insufferable crybaby about the weather in Pittsburgh, make sure you don't move to Atlanta or Nashville if you expect more sunshine in the summer.




And yet, the National Weather Service in Pittsburgh gave yesterday a '7' in terms of cloud cover. I guess even '6's and '7's aren't so bad when it comes to sunshine, which would explain why the National Weather Service considers values of '4' through '7' to be "partly cloudy."

Since June 1, there have been 10 days with a cloud cover value of '7' in Pittsburgh, which is exactly the same number as Atlanta, and only one fewer than Nashville.
You can post facts! It makes the preconceived notions of people and all of the 'experts' on the Internet about this place look wrong. But yeah most people who look at data should know sunshine in Pittsburgh is not that different to other places from April to October, but in late October though March is when the large differences with Pittsburgh and other places happen. It amuses me when people talk about moving to the Southeast to get more sun, yet they don't realize that part of the country gets a bit more precipitation than we do.
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Old 07-27-2014, 01:22 PM
 
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You can post facts! It makes the preconceived notions of people and all of the 'experts' on the Internet about this place look wrong. But yeah most people who look at data should know sunshine in Pittsburgh is not that different to other places from April to October, but in late October though March is when the large differences with Pittsburgh and other places happen. It amuses me when people talk about moving to the Southeast to get more sun, yet they don't realize that part of the country gets a bit more precipitation than we do.
Last July, Pittsburgh had eight cloudy days and three clear days. Atlanta? How about 11 cloudy days and ZERO clear days?

As for the onset of gloom in the fall, it typically doesn't happen until November. Pittsburgh averages over 60% of clear daylight hours in every month from June through October, but less than half of clear daylight hours in every month from November through February. March and May get sunshine slightly more than half the time, and April is perfectly half and half.
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