POLL: Democratic Presidential Primary (Pittsburgh, Republic: dangerous, move to, racist)

[Blackbeauty212]

I have a feeling this will be moved as the topic is irrelevant to Pittsburgh specifically.

I'm voting for Hillary both Primary and General for a few reasons.

1st - Gentlemen ITS TIME ... It's time for a woman, get over it.

2nd - I love Sanders's Anger, Passion and Authenticity, he's exactly where I'm at on what wrong with this Country. Just about everything in America is in Decline ... Financially, Politically, Socially, Economically, Mentally, Educational -ly, Infrastructure -ly. Everything is in Decline. America has become a country void of Moral and Ethics, it's all about GREED! How much money can I swiddle out of you. Our Corporate, and Political institutions are Morally Bankrupt and more Corrupt than ever before. I feel like the entire America construct needs a Reset.

However I'm not Buying what Sanders is selling as what will be his end game for many reasons:

• A - While I am Progressive and Liberal Socially, I AM NOT a Socialist .... I don't agree with his "Everything for Free" speeches it turns me off in a big way. His answer to ending the Greed and Corruption in America is to give it away for Free. No there's a Middle. There needs to be tighter regulations and oversight over companies and institutions to keep them from Gouging, Fleecing and Poisoning Americans just to appease Shareholers. Don't buy the GOP BullSh*T that regulation kills Jobs and Economy. Deregulation Kills Americans.
  
  Washington need to champion Competition ... Competition is our friend .... This Culture of "If You Can't Beat'em, Buy'em" needs to be more heavily scrutinized, I think M&As happen all too easily and frequently in the current Washington system, creating a more Monopolistic culture amongst our institutions.
  
  
• B - We have a Republican Congress, if Sanders becomes president what make anyone think the Republican congress won't do to him what they're currently doing to Obama? Which is Obstruct and Oppose. Don't get me wrong I think Hillary will have this same problem, Dems need to flat out get Control of Congress back or all these Solutions from both Sanders and Clinton are meaningless.. It will be just 4 or 8 more years of Obstruct and Oppose and therefore nothing outside of Executive Orders gets done. We are so polarized and ideological that it's damn near impossible to work with the other side. Although I do think the Dems are more give and take than the "NO NO NO NO NO at any cost" Repubs.
  
  
• C - Sanders is putting on a whole lot of "Lipstick" when it comes to trying win over Black Voters. And it doesn't work, he just doesn't have the relationship or experience with Blacks the way Clinton does. Take Flint for instance .... Hillary while I don't buy she as passion for a lot of things, I can tell She's mad as Hell about Flint and what that Sick governor did to those people just to save the state some money. Sanders I don't see that same passion, has Sanders even gone to Flint in rally support for the folks. Look I don't blame Sanders for his inexperience in being able to connect with minorities, he from a 99% White State, the state that neighbor his are a majority white. But it does make him come off as a little disingenuous and opportunistic to try play that he feels what Minorities in this country are going through.

3rd - I feel like if we continue with Republicans in Control of Congress, Hillary is better equipped to deal with their Opposition and Obstruction. Sanders, poor thing, It'll do him in Emotionally, and Physically. He's already showing signs of tiredness on the Campaign Trail.

4th - Hillary has far more "SANE" and pragmatic solutions to foreign policy issue than either Sanders or the GOP contenders. Haven't we had enough of Wars. I Feel like WWIII is on the horizon for all of us, and being spearheaded by the Rabid Neo-Cons on the Right.


Now Hillary is NOT without problems too:

• Her passion doesn't come across a Authentic and Real, it feels Calculating
  
• She Doesn't Inspire anyone outside of her Gender being the First Female President
  
• She lacks a Clear Message
  
• She's been in Politics her whole life, she's a part of the System. Doesn't mean she can't make REALISTIC change. But some people see that as an outright problem
  
• She's a Deal Maker again part of the System, people don't want deals, they want absolute gratification both right and left. This is the type of polarization and ideological culture we live in now, thanks to a demagoguing "news" media and a lack of Leadership in favor of more pandering.

[RogersParkTransplant]

It's incredibly sad and ironic that the African-American community is rejecting Sanders. I don't deny that it's true, and it will cost him the election, and it's not for me to tell other people that they are wrong, but still it's just too bad. The guy was arrested back in his student days for supporting racially integrated housing on the South side of Chicago in the 60s. Clinton's "super-predators" comments from the 90s are utterly reprehensible. But none of this will matter, because people have already made up their minds, and the black community is clearly behind HRC. It is what it is.

The socialist thing is also just a pity. Bernie isn't trying to give anything away for free. He's simply using socialism to mean a system in which everyone pays into a common fund that guarantees basic things for the country. He's not advocating free college for everyone -- far from it -- he's simply saying that public universities should be tuition-free and that student loans should be low-interest. He's right. He's also saying that if we all pay a little more in taxes and have a single-payer healthcare system, the costs will go down. I think he's probably right about this.

At the end of the day, education and healthcare need to be affordable. It's important. If your kid gets sick, there's nothing you won't do to help them, even if it means completely destroying your financial stability. Nobody should have to choose between their medication and their mortgage, and yet that's where we were before Obamacare. Things are better now, but when I pay as much as I do per month and UPMC still sends me a bill for $75 because I had to take my kid to the doctor for an ear infection that took five minutes to diagnose, you know the system still has problem. I can afford a random $75 medical bill, but most of my neighbors can't.

I do think poverty is the single most important issue facing America today, and that Bernie has the most compelling proposals to help the working poor. I'm voting for him. But I don't think he will win, and I think Clinton can, for a lot of reasons that boils down to politics. The Clintons play dirty, they tell lies, but at the end of the day they are effective politicians and they can accomplish good things. I worry that HRC really is too interventionist in her approach to foreign policy, but that's nothing new in US politics. It will be okay.

Trump is not okay. His rallies are getting uglier day by day. Good thing I honestly think his support will collapse over the summer, once people have time to slow down and see what he is actually doing. The wall with Mexico, for example -- it's all smoke and mirrors. The wall isn't going to happen. Trump might happen, but it's unlikely, and if he does become POTUS he will either settle down or be impeached. He will not actually do any of the worst things his base wants him to do.

Cruz worries me too, but I don't think he can win.

[ferraris]

I registered Republican specifically for this primary. It's a pet peeve of mine when people vote "against" someone, but that may wind up being what I do if Kasich is no longer running by that time.

Other than entertainment value, I think there are two positives to come out of Trump's campaign. First, it is a wake up call for the GOP and maybe something good will come of that in the next few years. Second, it showed us that we can have a Republican primary without having the candidates try to "out Jesus" one another.

[RogersParkTransplant]

Originally Posted by ferraris

Other than entertainment value, I think there are two positives to come out of Trump's campaign. First, it is a wake up call for the GOP and maybe something good will come of that in the next few years. Second, it showed us that we can have a Republican primary without having the candidates try to "out Jesus" one another.

Yes, I agree with this. Trump is actually really useful for showing both politicians and the news media that the world is no longer what they think it is. That being said, though, there's still something really dangerous going on at his rallies.

[JNYB]

It's so cool to see all the Bernie love on this thread! I'm voting for him in the PA primary but will exchange my Bernie button for a Hillary button if Hillary gets the party nomination, because the prospect of a Trump presidency sickens and scares me.

[stburr91]

Originally Posted by RogersParkTransplant

Yes, I agree with this. Trump is actually really useful for showing both politicians and the new media that the world is no longer what they think it is. That being said, though, there's still something really dangerous going on at his rallies.

Can you elaborate on that?

[RogersParkTransplant]

Originally Posted by stburr91

Can you elaborate on that?

Frankly, any human being unwilling or unable to repudiate the KKK without equivocation should not and can not hold public office in the 21st century. I'm not going to argue this point, and if you try you will only make me go throw up in a toilet and avoid city-data for a week or so.

Meanwhile, here's one answer to the question, but really you can Google "Trump racism" for yourself, too.

Here's A Running List Of Racist Things That Have Happened At Trump Rallies

[stburr91]

Originally Posted by RogersParkTransplant

Frankly, any human being unwilling or unable to repudiate the KKK without equivocation should not and can not hold public office in the 21st century. I'm not going to argue this point, and if you try you will only make me go throw up in a toilet and avoid city-data for a week or so.

Meanwhile, here's one answer to the question, but really you can Google "Trump racism" for yourself, too.

Here's A Running List Of Racist Things That Have Happened At Trump Rallies

I won't defend Trump, because truthfully, I can't bring myself to even vote anymore, none of the candidates represent my interests.

I have to ask, do you honestly believe that Trump supports the KKK? If so, that is really sad. The thought that the establishment can use the media to completely manipulate the election process with misinformation, disenfranchises me all the more.

[RogersParkTransplant]

Originally Posted by stburr91

I won't defend Trump, because truthfully, I can't bring myself to even vote anymore, none of the candidates represent my interests.

I have to ask, do you honestly believe that Trump supports the KKK? If so, that is really sad. The thought that the establishment can use the media to completely manipulate the election process with misinformation, disenfranchises me all the more.

I don't believe Trump supports the KKK -- I think he is willing to use them for votes, and I find that morally unacceptable. If you are curious, I think this is an excellent essay, especially when he invokes Reagan at the end.

Donald trump's dangerous KKK game (opinion) - CNN.com

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by stburr91

I won't defend Trump, because truthfully, I can't bring myself to even vote anymore, none of the candidates represent my interests.

I have to ask, do you honestly believe that Trump supports the KKK? If so, that is really sad. The thought that the establishment can use the media to completely manipulate the election process with misinformation, disenfranchises me all the more.

This.