Development organization ARTEZ to close doors (Pittsburgh, Duquesne: schools, universities, closing)

[bluecarebear]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

You took off the link because it doesn't show what you think it said but we should believe what you can't link to because reasons?

Those are waivers, not the complete financial aid package.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by bluecarebear

Those are waivers, not the complete financial aid package.

You're still at, "This one guy you don't know told me something and you can trust me."

[bluecarebear]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

You're still at, "This one guy you don't know told me something and you can trust me."

TASFA (Texas Application for State Financial Aid) : Financial Aid and Scholarships : Texas State University


There is more to financial aid then just waivers.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by bluecarebear

TASFA (Texas Application for State Financial Aid) : Financial Aid and Scholarships : Texas State University

That's saying that foreign students may be entitled to the same financial aid as Texas residents. Which, unless I've missed something, is not "free" by any means.

[bluecarebear]

Originally Posted by Moby Hick

That's saying that foreign students may be entitled to the same financial aid as Texas residents. Which, unless I've missed something, is not "free" by any means.

Most foreign students come from dirt poor families. That is why they get "qualify for" free tuition.

[Moby Hick]

Originally Posted by bluecarebear

Most foreign students come from dirt poor families. That is why they get "qualify for" free tuition.

Unless Texas does something very different from the other states, students from poor families get loans, not free tuition.

[DaisyDaisy]

Originally Posted by bluecarebear

Most foreign students come from dirt poor families. That is why they get "qualify for" free tuition.

Where did you get this info? I used to work in higher ed. Are there some international students who come from "dirt poor" families? Sure. But many come from affluent families, namely those in China, India and Saudi Arabia, which also happen to be top feeder countries for international students.

Edited to add: Since this thread is about a development org, and not international students, wanted to mention that I'm sorry to see that ARTEZ is closing and I hope the riverfront development continues

[grep]

Originally Posted by SteelCityRising

CMU is already ~50% international students. To keep themselves viable at current levels I foresee that rising to ~70% in a decade.

Actually, CMU's undergraduate population was 19% international students in 2013, 21% in 2014, and 22% in 2015. If you include undergrads and grads together, it's 43% international as of 2015.

[grep]

The % of international students has been rising linearly for about a decade and I don't expect it to explode any time soon.

[SteelCityRising]

Originally Posted by grep

Actually, CMU's undergraduate population was 19% international students in 2013, 21% in 2014, and 22% in 2015. If you include undergrads and grads together, it's 43% international as of 2015.

Yes. I meant that the undergraduate/graduate enrollment combined is roughly 50% international. 43% (and rising) isn't far off. I'm thrilled Pittsburgh can court such brilliant minds from around the world, but I'm not so thrilled that we don't retain very many of them at all. I'm going to be attending the wedding of a recent CMU graduate in my hometown, as he's marrying the sister of my best childhood friend. He's a native of the SF Bay Area and moved back for a great job with Apple after graduating a couple of years ago. If "cutting costs" is all the rage in corporate America these days, then why not bring more of the entry-level tech opportunities to Pittsburgh, where CMU can funnel their grads into their ranks each year while paying them less than what they'd pay newly-minted grads in Cupertino or San Jose? It's obviously going to be a skill mismatch for UBER, Apple, Google, etc. to expect there to be tons of highly-skilled veteran software/tech types here when the industry is so new here.

As I referenced even if CMU and Pitt are prestigious enough to more easily weather a downturn in the number of applicants in the coming years associated with the decline in college-aged individuals I don't know how Chatham, Carlow, Point Park, etc. will all also be able to maintain current staffing levels without making cuts, as I don't foresee them being able to meaningfully increase international recruitment enough to offset the loss in domestic students. It's already begun with EDMC laying off so many people in recent months.