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Old 03-23-2018, 09:35 AM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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I don't mind a population decrease much, so long as the people moving in have deep pockets and can help make our city great again.
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Old 03-23-2018, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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So 4 cities on this list is "virtually all MSAs in the Northeast and Midwest"? No, I don't think so. C. listed 21, and even Chicago increased in size! 4/21 is 19%.

You guys, plural, sound like the old yinzers who keep talking about how the steel mills are going to come back any day now.
They were on their way out when I worked at US Steel in the mid-70's. But, didn't Trump say he would bring them back to Pittsburgh, n'at?
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Old 03-23-2018, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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While it affects us very little in aggregate, I found out a few years back the only reason Armstrong County was added to the metro back in the 90s was due to lobbying by local politicians. Essentially the local hospital (hospitals? Were there more than one?) wanted to get the higher Pittsburgh MSA reimbursement from Medicare, rather than the less generous non-metropolitan PA reimbursement.
While I wouldn't put it past a government agency to do something for political purposes, I thought the census bureau used commuting patterns as its metric. I remember one time when they took Beaver County out (decades ago). I thought at the time it was b/c of BC's bad stats, and that possibly Pittsburgh had lobbied to get rid of them. They're now back.

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Craziaskowboi posted this in the City v. City forum...

These numbers are not adjusted by size, but Pittsburgh is the only one of these metros with a natural population loss. While we do have a net outflow of domestic migrants, it's at an unremarkable rate, and our level of foreign immigration has been rising compared to peer cities. Really, the only reason we're shrinking as a metro is the natural population decline. If this ended, we would grow as a whole, even if the growth was very slow.
So 4 cities on this list is "virtually all MSAs in the Northeast and Midwest"? No, I don't think so. C. listed 21, and even Chicago increased in size! 4/21 is 19%. Note that two others are "interior northeast cities", Rochester and Hartford, the other one (other than Pittsburgh) is Cleveland, frequently lumped in with that group, though I personally disagree and think it's midwestern.

You guys, plural, sound like the old yinzers who keep talking about how the steel mills are going to come back any day now.

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Old 03-23-2018, 01:56 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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And seriously, what is the net 18-66 migration comparatively because that’s a tax base. If we lose 40000 66+ people net, but gain 20000 18-66 people net, our tax base increases and we can fix our infrastructure. We should care about PGH coffers, not coffins.
The working-age population in the Pittsburgh MSA did very quietly increase from 2000-2010. It increased by roughly 25,000. Unfortunately, it was washed out by significant decreases in both children (under 18) and elderly (over 64).
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Old 03-23-2018, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Pennsylvania's Total Fertility Rate (TFR) is higher than 12 other states/territories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...fertility_rate
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Old 03-23-2018, 02:43 PM
 
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The working-age population in the Pittsburgh MSA did very quietly increase from 2000-2010. It increased by roughly 25,000. Unfortunately, it was washed out by significant decreases in both children (under 18) and elderly (over 64).
It increased because of the dot com boom then the recession (which didn't hurt here as much, because we didn't get much of a boom). Stands to reason now that unemployment is low there is no reason for people to stay in a low wage city, especially when taking cost of living in and you make more elsewhere.

Average rent here is now close to $700 a month. Pittsburgh wage growth has not kept up with the cost of living. Look at all the $10 to $12 job ads on indeed for Pittsburgh. Many of these jobs would pay $15 to $17 in other areas.
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Old 03-23-2018, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Average rent here is now close to $700 a month. Pittsburgh wage growth has not kept up with the cost of living. Look at all the $10 to $12 job ads on indeed for Pittsburgh. Many of these jobs would pay $15 to $17 in other areas.
Average rent is $1223.

https://www.rentjungle.com/average-r...h-rent-trends/
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:46 AM
 
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I just read my source the other day and now I can't find it. I'll keep looking. Yours seems too high. I'm not familiar with the website. Is that the price of just their listings?
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Old 03-24-2018, 03:59 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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I just read my source the other day and now I can't find it. I'll keep looking. Yours seems too high. I'm not familiar with the website. Is that the price of just their listings?
Do you live in Pittsburgh? Apartment rentals outside of the student ghettos are high.

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Old 03-24-2018, 05:10 AM
 
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I just read my source the other day and now I can't find it. I'll keep looking. Yours seems too high. I'm not familiar with the website. Is that the price of just their listings?
Yeah, I read the $700 figure and thought that must be fifteen years old!
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