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Old 10-18-2021, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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Republicans need to get back to conservative values. Running on grievance, revenge and conspiracy theories aren’t going to win national elections.

Fiscal conservatism has disappeared. Free market thinking has disappeared. Republicans of today can’t articulate the American dream.
If you feel that way, better get Sleepy Joes approval ratings up because 2022 is going to be a wave of red if you don’t. Let’s go Brandon is spreading.

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Old 10-18-2021, 04:34 PM
 
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If you feel that way, better get Sleepy Joes approval ratings up because 2022 is going to be a wave of red if you don’t.
I don’t feel that way. It is that way.

If you are pro life you are for vaccines. If you want business to thrive you are pro vaccine because you want people to stay working.

Republicans had a good message until they allowed trump to take over. The message went to a sloppy mess at the flip of a switch. That’s what happens when a party evolved around a person and not ideals.

Grievance, conspiracy theories, and ignoring the pandemic aren’t going to win national elections period.
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Old 10-18-2021, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Lebanon Heights
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If the red wave includes lots of Liz Cheney's and Adam Kinzinger's, I could live with that.
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Old 10-18-2021, 04:43 PM
 
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Lol. I absolutely do, and once again, you’re deflecting to because Trump in a thread about Doyle and possible future candidates….and you’re also deflecting from the question I asked about approval ratings.
I am not the one who suggested a Republican winning this seat. And they won't because, in part, Trump. That is an explanation, not a deflection. Disagree with my explanation all you want but its not a deflection.
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Old 10-18-2021, 04:45 PM
 
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If the red wave includes lots of Liz Cheney's and Adam Kinzinger's, I could live with that.
I would not have a problem with that either. The problem is the current Republican Party isn’t a party of ideals. It’s the party of trump. I am hoping that all of the trump endorsed candidates lose and the candidates you speak of prevail.

The Republican Party is currently a huge mess. They have outcasted the Liz Cheney’s from the party. I never thought I would love to see the day where Republicans dump a conservative icon from the most conservative state in the country for a rep from upstate New York just because she likes him.

The Democrats have a lousy message, but they are less crazy than what the Republicans are putting up. Put up Liz Cheney and kinzingers you have a chance. Put up a ******* with Trump rhetoric you lose.
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Old 10-18-2021, 04:46 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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I don’t feel that way. It is that way.

If you are pro life you are for vaccines. If you want business to thrive you are pro vaccine because you want people to stay working.

Republicans had a good message until they allowed trump to take over. The message went to a sloppy mess at the flip of a switch. That’s what happens when a party evolved around a person and not ideals.

Grievance, conspiracy theories, and ignoring the pandemic aren’t going to win national elections period.
Dems should’ve taken that approach to begin with and endorsed the vaccine. Likely be less skeptical folks.

Lol. The country allowed because Trump to take over by voting for him and it was a wonderful 4 years. Had he not hurt so many feelings he’d still be in office, however, it’s better that he lost. Outside of the border crisis, Afghan debacle, skyrocketing inflation, etc…, folks are realizing they made a big mistake voting for Sleepy Joe, hence his approval rating.

If that’s the case, Dems better turn it around because lots of folks are very unhappy with them, and National elections aren’t in their favor right now.
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Old 10-18-2021, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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I am not the one who suggested a Republican winning this seat. And they won't because, in part, Trump. That is an explanation, not a deflection. Disagree with my explanation all you want but its not a deflection.
Who said you suggested a Republican winning the seat?

Lol. Because Trump is looking pretty good right now with how Sleepy Joe is going. How’s Sleepy Joes approval rating?

Because Trump is your deflection.
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Old 10-18-2021, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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If the red wave includes lots of Liz Cheney's and Adam Kinzinger's, I could live with that.
I’d wager against it, but wishing and hoping might prevail for you.
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Old 10-18-2021, 04:52 PM
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Republicans need to get back to conservative values. Running on grievance, revenge and conspiracy theories aren’t going to win national elections.

Fiscal conservatism has disappeared. Free market thinking has disappeared. Republicans of today can’t articulate the American dream.
This is actually true. other than the American dream part as it is no question there for the taking.

The problem is out debt and how low interest rates are due to that debt. So we are giving out free money. China is not getting rich on interest rates. Inflation is our issue and Biden is really going in the toilet. He isn't leading anything and is being led and he is more interested in the poor vote and leading them onto a mess. They are easily led however and that has always been the Democratic strong point. They cater to those easily led and not overly bright.

I do think we need a good real Republican to run. They need to be very smart and moderate, but fiscally responsible. Ah, we can dream, but with the leftist media running the show, we are sunk because if you don't live in a fake world and pretend debt is meaningless, you won't even be able to run. We love to kick the can.

We will be in for tough times at some point, but I don't know if we will see soup lines. If we do, crime in black areas will be off the charts and I suggest you get your home ready for it. I am.
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Old 10-18-2021, 04:55 PM
 
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Dems should’ve taken that approach to begin with and endorsed the vaccine. Likely be less skeptical folks.

Lol. The country allowed because Trump to take over by voting for him and it was a wonderful 4 years. Had he not hurt so many feelings he’d still be in office, however, it’s better that he lost. Outside of the border crisis, Afghan debacle, skyrocketing inflation, etc…, folks are realizing they made a big mistake voting for Sleepy Joe, hence his approval rating.

If that’s the case, Dems better turn it around because lots of folks are very unhappy with them, and National elections aren’t in their favor right now.
You are delusional. If it was great he would’ve been re-elected. It isn’t hard to understand.

Trump and not taking the he pandemic or vaccines seriously have sunk the Republican Party.

People and business want this pandemic to subside. Refusing vaccination and embracing Trumpism is a losing strategy. Business and the majority of people will back biden and Democrats again. No solutions from the party of trump. Only grievance, revenge, anti vax and conspiracy theories.

Get back to promotion of the American dream and you have a chance. That’s how it was before Trump.
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