May be worth tuning in to today's hearing (Moscow, Penn: elementary school, yard)

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this thread is hilarious

wake me up when the criminal trials begin

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Originally Posted by BUILD PENN SQUARE

this thread is hilarious

wake me up when the criminal trials begin

You don't see the complexities of prosecuting a former president in a liberal [representative] democracy; you don't see the benefit of a bipartisan, fact-finding inquiry, with testimony (to a very large degree) from members of the president's own administration, staff, campaign, DOJ?

I would love for the DOJ/Biden Administration to take prosecution of Trump off of the table. This is a pure factual inquiry for the historical record, as well as for the purpose of convincing enough folks, at the margins at least, that Trump should not be anywhere near the Executive Office again.

You're entitled to your opinion on Trump and Ukraine, but your views are in the minority, and their continues to be a bipartisan consensus on both topics -- although no doubt the consensus on Ukraine (notwithstanding your and similar efforts to, wittingly or unwittingly, share pro-Russian propaganda) is much stronger.

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Originally Posted by Burghophilia

You don't see the complexities of prosecuting a former president in a liberal [representative] democracy; you don't see the benefit of a bipartisan, fact-finding inquiry, with testimony (to a very large degree) from members of the president's own administration, staff, campaign, DOJ?

I would love for the DOJ/Biden Administration to take prosecution of Trump off of the table. This is a pure factual inquiry for the historical record, as well as for the purpose of convincing enough folks, at the margins at least, that Trump should not be anywhere near the Executive Office again.

You're entitled to your opinion on Trump and Ukraine, but your views are in the minority, and their continues to be a bipartisan consensus on both topics -- although no doubt the consensus on Ukraine (notwithstanding your and similar efforts to, wittingly or unwittingly, share pro-Russian propaganda) is much stronger.

these people are INCAPABLE of discussing a topic without getting personal

Donald Trump has become more popular since the January 6 Capitol attack

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/11/polit...ate/index.html

"Analysts like me remarked over and over again during Trump's time in office that he was one of, if not the most unpopular presidents. He left office with the lowest approval rating of any president at the end of his first term (39%) and the highest disapproval rating (58%) thanks in part to a late swoon following the events of January 6, 2021.

Today, Trump's polling position with Americans overall is one of his best, and he remains the front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination."

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Originally Posted by BUILD PENN SQUARE

these people are INCAPABLE of discussing a topic without getting personal

Donald Trump has become more popular since the January 6 Capitol attack

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/11/polit...ate/index.html

"Analysts like me remarked over and over again during Trump's time in office that he was one of, if not the most unpopular presidents. He left office with the lowest approval rating of any president at the end of his first term (39%) and the highest disapproval rating (58%) thanks in part to a late swoon following the events of January 6, 2021.

Today, Trump's polling position with Americans overall is one of his best, and he remains the front-runner for the 2024 Republican nomination."

Becoming more popular, doesn't mean that there isn't still bipartisan consensus against the fellow. Sadly, he is less underwater politically. This does not undercut the bipartisan support for the January 6th committee or its findings. See, that's the tricky thing with an authoritarian, (sort of) populist -- it is a very tricky thing to bring them down, once they have undercut nonpartisan sources of information. That is why the question of criminal prosecution is so tricky -- even if it succeeded, it could make Trump more popular, and no question, it would not look good if they attempted to prosecute and failed. Who knew that democracy so depended on folks agreeing on a set of not-necessarily legally binding norms!?

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Originally Posted by Burghophilia

Becoming more popular, doesn't mean that there isn't still bipartisan consensus against the fellow.

no kidding - dems and RINO's hate him - how is that news?

trump's work is done - he created a movement, MAGA - desantis would be considered a MAGA candidate if he chooses to run, and the MAGA crowd would support him

As Trump’s star wanes, another rises: could Ron DeSantis be the new Maga bearer?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tial-candidate

"Such a move could have the added impetus of heading off a new star rising in the Republican firmament. Ron DeSantis, the pugnacious governor of Florida, is widely seen as his heir apparent and biggest rival for the Republican presidential nomination in two years’ time. At 43, DeSantis is more than three decades younger and is free of Trump’s January 6 toxicity.

Speaking from Tallahassee, longtime Republican strategist Rick Wilson of Florida said: “I’ve picked up the same rumors that everybody else is hearing that Ron DeSantis’s people are practically picking out curtains in the White House after Tuesday."

the january 6th committee is like a free marketing campaign for desantis

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Originally Posted by BUILD PENN SQUARE

no kidding - dems and RINO's hate him

Who are the "rinos" that you are referring to?

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Originally Posted by BUILD PENN SQUARE

no kidding - dems and RINO's hate him - how is that news?

trump's work is done - he created a movement, MAGA - desantis would be considered a MAGA candidate if he chooses to run, and the MAGA crowd would support him

As Trump’s star wanes, another rises: could Ron DeSantis be the new Maga bearer?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...tial-candidate

"Such a move could have the added impetus of heading off a new star rising in the Republican firmament. Ron DeSantis, the pugnacious governor of Florida, is widely seen as his heir apparent and biggest rival for the Republican presidential nomination in two years’ time. At 43, DeSantis is more than three decades younger and is free of Trump’s January 6 toxicity.

Speaking from Tallahassee, longtime Republican strategist Rick Wilson of Florida said: “I’ve picked up the same rumors that everybody else is hearing that Ron DeSantis’s people are practically picking out curtains in the White House after Tuesday."

the january 6th committee is like a free marketing campaign for desantis

No issues there, and actually I'd be pretty happy if DeSantis dethroned d-Trump, as the standard bearer of Magadom. As I've said before, although roundly believed to be a "dick" (a quote from one of DeSantis's Yale Baseball Teammates in New Yorker profile) - he is very smart, and while he is incredibly conservative and incredibly ambitious, I don't think he has a problem putting the country ahead of his personal interest. Of course, I believe DeSantis, as a former attorney for Navy Seals or special forces (can't recall which) would likely stay the course on Ukraine (although, as I've also pointed out before, at a recent conference DeSantis avoided the topic, as the pro-Putin forces in Magaworld have poisoned the well on this topic. I assume that, if DeSantis is the heir-apparent, and he tells Trump World that it is in the US national interest to support Ukraine (as it is), then, I believe most folks will get in line on the issue.

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Originally Posted by Burghophilia

and he tells Trump World that it is in the US national interest to support Ukraine (as it is), then, I believe most folks will get in line on the issue.

ukraine has zero significance to our national security

the only reason we're involved is because of warmongering neocon maniacs like the kagans and victoria nuland and their project for a new american century

remember when the NATO/US trained afghani army collapsed to the taliban in a matter of days?

The Afghan Army Collapsed In Days. Here Are The Reasons Why

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/20/10294...he-reasons-why

"The quick collapse of the Afghan National Army stunned many, including the Pentagon's top military officer, Gen. Mark Milley. He told reporters this week that the U.S. intelligence community estimated that if U.S. forces withdrew, it would be weeks, months, even years before the Afghan military fell to the Taliban.

Instead, it was just 11 days."

the NATO/US trained ukrainian army is the second act of that show - failure 2.0

and of course milley, after being spectacularly wrong about afghanistan, is now Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

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Originally Posted by BUILD PENN SQUARE

ukraine has zero significance to our national security

the only reason we're involved is because of warmongering neocon maniacs like the kagans and victoria nuland and their project for a new american century

remember when the NATO/US trained afghani army collapsed to the taliban in a matter of days?

The Afghan Army Collapsed In Days. Here Are The Reasons Why

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/20/10294...he-reasons-why

"The quick collapse of the Afghan National Army stunned many, including the Pentagon's top military officer, Gen. Mark Milley. He told reporters this week that the U.S. intelligence community estimated that if U.S. forces withdrew, it would be weeks, months, even years before the Afghan military fell to the Taliban.

Instead, it was just 11 days."

the NATO/US trained ukrainian army is the second act of that show - failure 2.0

and of course milley, after being spectacularly wrong about afghanistan, is now Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

Yea, I've thought in recent days that they got the Afghanistan and Ukraine files mixed up, because they were certainly suggesting that the Ukrainian forces would collapse within days. Again, there is broad consensus, not just neocons (wasn't it virtue signaling libs last week?) who support US efforts in Ukraine. And while this support may encompass some on the virtue signaling Left, as well as other hawkish folks on the neocon right -- this doesn't undercut the bipartisan nature of support for US/European/Western support for Ukraine, both with respect to the incursion against sovereignty, as well as the chance it gives pro-Democracy forces to contain expansionist Russia and other illiberal regimes.

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Originally Posted by Burghophilia

Yea, I've thought in recent days that they got the Afghanistan and Ukraine files mixed up, because they were certainly suggesting that the Ukrainian forces would collapse within days. Again, there is broad consensus, not just neocons (wasn't it virtue signaling libs last week?) who support US efforts in Ukraine. And while this support may encompass some on the virtue signaling Left, as well as other hawkish folks on the neocon right -- this doesn't undercut the bipartisan nature of support for US/European/Western support for Ukraine, both with respect to the incursion against sovereignty, as well as the chance it gives pro-Democracy forces to contain expansionist Russia and other illiberal regimes.

russia took control of the donbas in FOUR MONTHS

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...aine-maps.html



now they're straightening out their supply lines as they prepare to continue demilitarizing US/NATO armed ukraine

the ukrainian army can't stop them - time to send in NATO troops and start WW3!

and if we need to implement a draft like during vietnam - that won't be a problem because there's "bipartisan support"