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View Poll Results: Do you agree or disagree with the BP being forced to put $ 20 billion in escrow
Agree ( Democrat) 32 25.40%
Disagree (Democrat) 0 0%
Agree (Republican) 8 6.35%
Disagree (Republican) 16 12.70%
Agree (Independent/ Other) 55 43.65%
Disagree (Independent/ Other) 15 11.90%
Voters: 126. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-20-2010, 09:26 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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The investigation is currently ongoing, pg. Give it a little time.

Once some of your BP heroes are behind bars, I expect you to come back here and man up about your naivete though.

You are the same person who said Cheney would be behind bars soon. So far he is running loose and still kicking Obama around like a toy clown.

Can you please post the crime that has been committed by anyone at BP so we can have you on record just in case it does happen?

And do you know who failed to pass on the inspection report to Obama that showed this rig failed an inspection 10 days prior to the inspection.

Wonder if you believe someone in the Obama admin should be going to jail for negligence or hiding vital safety information from the proper people?

To set you straight, NO ONE here believes BP is a hero. That is just something that is in your mind.
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Old 06-20-2010, 10:54 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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You are the same person who said Cheney would be behind bars soon. So far he is running loose and still kicking Obama around like a toy clown.

Can you please post the crime that has been committed by anyone at BP so we can have you on record just in case it does happen?

And do you know who failed to pass on the inspection report to Obama that showed this rig failed an inspection 10 days prior to the inspection.

Wonder if you believe someone in the Obama admin should be going to jail for negligence or hiding vital safety information from the proper people?

To set you straight, NO ONE here believes BP is a hero. That is just something that is in your mind.

First of all, where did I say Cheney would be behind bars soon? You are confused.

Secondly, as I mentioned already, the investigation by the Department of Justice is currently ongoing. For crimes up to and including Manslaughter. So we are not looking at just Crimes against the Environment, in violation of the Clean Water and Clean Air Acts. We are most likely going to see criminal charges pressed.

Heck, they already paid out $62 Million for a similar situation resulting in an explosion in Texas a few years ago. Luckily nobody died in that one.

Again all common knowledge. Google is your friend.

If somebody hid evidence in the Obama administration, let them share a cell with the BP goons by all means.

I am glad to hear you do not think that BP is a Hero, because of course that would be completely asinine. But you and a few others seem overly anxious to rush to the "let's wait and see, they are innocent until guilty" card in the face of rising insurmountable evidence of their gross and yes criminal negligence.

Frankly in light of the wreckage that has been caused, still the total unknown...it is a little disgusting.
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Old 06-20-2010, 10:58 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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More reasons on why BP should not be trusted. Internal memo's showed that a worst possible scenario was 100,000 barrels a day, yet BP was not up front about it.

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An internal BP document shows the company estimated that in the worst case, their broken oil well would pump more than 100,000 barrels of oil a day into the sea - far more than the company let on publicly.

The document was made public by Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Energy and Environment Subcommittee. (Read the memo here.)

"Right from the beginning, BP was either lying or grossly incompetent," he said.

"First they said it was only 1,000. Then they said it was 5,000 barrels. "Now we're up to 100,000 barrels," Markey said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Read more: BP memo: Company feared 100,000 barrels of oil could spill in Gulf of Mexico daily
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:29 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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More reasons on why BP should not be trusted. Internal memo's showed that a worst possible scenario was 100,000 barrels a day, yet BP was not up front about it.




Read more: BP memo: Company feared 100,000 barrels of oil could spill in Gulf of Mexico daily

I do not know of one single person who is on BP's side from any political group.

Everyone is mad at BP and believe they need to pay for and do what is right.

Many of us believe that Obama lacked the leadership needed to make the correct decisions from day one. He completely has mishandled this entire situation.

BP is to blame for the spill and Obama is blamed for not taking charge and showing leadership to handle this situation.

They both have done wrong and they both will pay for it in the end.
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Old 06-21-2010, 12:36 AM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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First of all, where did I say Cheney would be behind bars soon? You are confused.

I have read you posting many times stating that Cheney should be in jail or tried for crimes.


Secondly, as I mentioned already, the investigation by the Department of Justice is currently ongoing. For crimes up to and including Manslaughter. So we are not looking at just Crimes against the Environment, in violation of the Clean Water and Clean Air Acts. We are most likely going to see criminal charges pressed.

I do not think they wont get anything. It will be hard to prove manslaughter. I believe this is an attempt by Obama and Holder to find a villian so the finger pointing goes away from them not doing their job in handling a disaster in federal waters.

Who would go to jail if they did find them guilty?


Heck, they already paid out $62 Million for a similar situation resulting in an explosion in Texas a few years ago. Luckily nobody died in that one.

Again all common knowledge. Google is your friend.

If somebody hid evidence in the Obama administration, let them share a cell with the BP goons by all means.

If they did then they will find a way to prove they sent the information on to the proper people there will be a huge problem at the WH.


I am glad to hear you do not think that BP is a Hero, because of course that would be completely asinine. But you and a few others seem overly anxious to rush to the "let's wait and see, they are innocent until guilty" card in the face of rising insurmountable evidence of their gross and yes criminal negligence.

Frankly in light of the wreckage that has been caused, still the total unknown...it is a little disgusting.
Obama needs to start leading and getting anyone and everyone who can helps with this working on it.

America jumps everyone else when they need it and now it is time they help us.

Obama needs to stop denying help and organize this entire thing using his authority and power within the laws to stop the leak.

We must stop the leak and do whatever we have to get it done.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:26 AM
 
Location: High Cotton
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I do not know of one single person who is on BP's side from any political group.

Everyone is mad at BP and believe they need to pay for and do what is right.

Many of us believe that Obama lacked the leadership needed to make the correct decisions from day one. He completely has mishandled this entire situation.

BP is to blame for the spill and Obama is blamed for not taking charge and showing leadership to handle this situation.

They both have done wrong and they both will pay for it in the end.
BP should not be the sole party responsible for the oil spill. There are numerous parties that have significant blame, including our Federal government's MMS agency which failed miserably to inspect well's operation properly. Many experts believe that "if" the MMS had been doing its job the oil spill would have never happened. I think we'll hear much more about this in the future. Don't ya think it's odd that the head of MMS stepped down immediately? Don't ya think it's odd that the MMS refused to testify before Congress? There should be a sopena issued for MMS to testify... There are many parties to blame, not just BP.

The Obama administration has made matters much worse, and much more costly for all concerned, by not allowing other countries to help with the cleanup before the oil reaches our coasts. Additionally, Obama has put a moratorium on drilling in the Gulf, which is costing thousands of people to lose their oil-related jobs...probably forever. BP has refused to pay for these lost jobs since the moratorium was an administration decision, and not the direct result of the oil spill.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90 View Post
Obama needs to start leading and getting anyone and everyone who can helps with this working on it.

America jumps everyone else when they need it and now it is time they help us.

Obama needs to stop denying help and organize this entire thing using his authority and power within the laws to stop the leak.

We must stop the leak and do whatever we have to get it done.
Stop saying I have posted many times that Cheney must go to jail for something. Again...you are still confused.

Keep your head in the sand all you want, many credible legal sources are saying yes indeed, manslaughter is a distinct possibility as a result of the Dept of Justice Probe. Who will be going to jail? Most likely the BP rep that made the rig workers take all of those shortcuts that led up to the explosion. Perhaps more higher up as well, once the investigation is complete. Again this should in no way surprise or startle you when it happens. BP has already been found GUILTY of similar crimes. Try reading something other than CD forum once in a while.

Texas City Refinery explosion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Right we know, we get it... Obama and America needs to do something and stop the leak!!! Unfortunately BP is probably the best source of expertise we have at the moment.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:53 AM
 
Location: High Cotton
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Has the Obama administration said anything about when it will use the Oil Spill Liability Trust Fund (OSLTF) money?
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Old 06-21-2010, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Don't be a cry baby!
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I know we have several threads on the subject already, but I think we should have a poll on the subject.

In wake of the comments by Republican reps Bachmann and Barton in which they criticized the Obama administration for basically forcing BP to set up a $20 billion escrow account for the damages of the oil spill (comments in which they, especially Barton were criticized for by members of his own party),

Do you agree or disagree with the Obama administration basically forcing BP to set up the $ 20 billion escrow account.
("Smash255" my comment isn't directed to you but just in general.)

IMO;
This account should be set up so that the local government is in charge of it and not the ferderal government. Sure, this is what those folks need, another fund that people from Washington can come around an suck the money from a fund that was never intended for the people of Washington.
So now what? This Washington moron will come down and appoint his friends into an office to be in charge of money that they themselves will be getting paid from. How much do these Washington folks get paid per year??
(MORE POLITICAL BULL ****!)
Government isn't the answer, its the problem!
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Old 06-21-2010, 07:14 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Originally Posted by Sunny-Days90 View Post
Obama needs to start leading and getting anyone and everyone who can helps with this working on it.

America jumps everyone else when they need it and now it is time they help us.

Obama needs to stop denying help and organize this entire thing using his authority and power within the laws to stop the leak.

We must stop the leak and do whatever we have to get it done.
The government and Obama hasn't exactly been sitting on their hands. We have organized a lot already.

Unified Command for the BP Oil Spill | Deepwater Horizon Response

Here's a list of what has been done so far:

By the Numbers to Date:

* The administration has authorized the deployment of 17,500 National Guard troops from Gulf Coast states to respond to this crisis; to date, 1,612 have been activated.

* Approximately 33,000 personnel are currently responding to protect the shoreline and wildlife and cleanup vital coastlines.

* More than 6,300 vessels are currently responding on site, including skimmers, tugs, barges, and recovery vessels to assist in containment and cleanup efforts—in addition to dozens of aircraft, remotely operated vehicles, and multiple mobile offshore drilling units.

* Approximately 2.44 million feet of containment boom and 3.87 million feet of sorbent boom have been deployed to contain the spill—and approximately 544,000 feet of containment boom and 1.88 million feet of sorbent boom are available.

* Approximately 22.9 million gallons of an oil-water mix have been recovered.

* Approximately 1.36 million gallons of total dispersant have been applied—931,000 on the surface and 436,000 subsea. More than 500,000 gallons are available.

* 244 controlled burns have been conducted, efficiently removing a total of more than 5.25 million gallons of oil from the open water in an effort to protect shoreline and wildlife.

* 17 staging areas are in place to protect sensitive shorelines.

* Approximately 59 miles of Gulf Coast shoreline is currently experiencing impacts from BP’s leaking oil—approximately 34 miles in Louisiana, four miles in Mississippi, nine miles in Alabama, and 12 miles in Florida.

* Approximately 80,800 square miles of Gulf of Mexico federal waters remain closed to fishing in order to balance economic and public health concerns. More than 66 percent remain open. Details can be found at NOAA Fisheries Service, Southeast Regional Office

* To date, the administration has leveraged assets and skills from numerous foreign countries and international organizations as part of this historic, all-hands-on-deck response, including Canada, Germany, Mexico, Netherlands, Norway, the United Nations’ International Maritime Organization and the European Union's Monitoring and Information Centre.

More can be found at: http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/go/site/2931/
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