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If it's relevant to the discussion, fine. I'm just not interested in Biblical Hell fire, "They killed Jesus!" Junk. Strictly historical.
"FOR BEHOLD, in those days and at that time when I shall reverse the captivity and restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all nations and will bring them down into the Valley of Jehoshaphat, and there will I deal with and execute judgment upon them for their treatment of My people and of My heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations and because they have divided My land." Joel 3:1-2
The land is broken. Jews are scattered all around the world.
Now, you say you don't want religion or hellfire or any of that stuff. But, stop for a moment and consider this. God didn't say that "dividing my Land" was Boston or London or Abu Dhabi or Tehran or Dublin. He said Israel. Which is precisely why Arabs/Jews/Christians fight as they do in the Middle East.
It's being quite short-sighted, in my view, to consider Israel a geopolitical situation only. Because I can assure you that those fighting could care less about the politics of the situation. They care about the inheritence of the land of Mesopotamia.
I don't believe any country has a "right" to exist, you either do the things to exist, or you get knocked out of existence. That is how it has been throughout history, it is all about survival. Do you think the Turks are going to wake up one morning and decide to give the Greeks back the land they took from them? Not very likely.
Apparently, for you, a cogent thought = "you agree with me". What's the purpose of this thread then?
I don't want pie in the sky theory. I don't want your opinion with no supporting data. I'm willing to listen to any argument for or against as soon as somebody posts one.
Less than 0.08% of our federal budget goes to Israel.
We just pissed away trillions on bailouts, pork for BO's supporters and to chum the corporate donor waters for the next election. Your concern about the few billions sent to Israel and Egypt lacks credibility.
Define "blindly"...
.08 of our budget is a lot of money, Israel doesn't deserve one cent of my tax dollars or any other Americans. They also get loads of military aide, and sell our technology to our competitors. Israel is no friend of the US, the quicker you type of people learn that the better of will be as a country.
I stated that they should receive help, this means both economic and logistical, in building a constructive society.
Over time, they should be able to stand more on their own. They need institutions, and processes to develop trade.
And ironically, what you suggest is sort of like what the world.. well part of it.. tried to do with Israel and succeeded with. Israel can stand on it's own now.
I don't want pie in the sky theory. I don't want your opinion with no supporting data. I'm willing to listen to any argument for or against as soon as somebody posts one.
Well, how convenient for you.
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