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I believe in Global Warming. But I'm not pushy and shrill about it.
I think most people who don't believe we have an influence on Global Warming haven't done any independent research of their own and maybe are reading and listening to people who pass over the worldwide scientific consensus about global warming and focus solely on poor, little ol' Al Gore.
The Constitution provides for Federal Gov't protecting the security of the United States and issues relating to intra state trade.
Enviornment regulations are not part of the Gov't job
Nothing more
I'm pretty sure you mean inter state trade, not intra. There's a rather significant difference between the two, especially considering the constitutional argument you are trying to make....
There is nothing subjective about pollution from coal powered plants in the mid west. There is nothing subjective relative to the amount of power used per capita in the US vs other countries. Assuming you don't want to believe in GW there are many good reasons to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases produced by the US, clean air, energy independence from countries that support terrorism, reduced health costs. This has more to do with common sense than social engineering.
The subjective aspect is the level of danger/destruction claimed and the effectiveness of purposed solutions.
There have been numerous "environmental" causes in the past demonizing one thing after another. Some were reasonable positions, others were simply exaggerations and subjective appeal through fear.
Co2 is a good example, so is ETS, and others. They are promoted through poor support to which relies heavily on assumptions and little on evidential process. The solutions are also subjective in their support. They like their support for the need of them are also vague, assumptive, and lack proper validation to their claim.
So yes, there is a subjective part. AGW is entirely based on subjective manipulation of facts that do not support any conclusion but are driven to one none the less. These are not issues of "belief" as this is not a process of scientific evaluation. Only what is evident is important.
As for being clean, this is a good goal. We should seek to improve the efficiency of our technology. We should use less and get more from it. We should gain benefit from those improvements through them being cleaner, better, and more efficient.
This is not what is being sought though. Clean is being sought at the expense of efficient and better. We are told every day by this movement that we must "sacrifice", "give up", and live in a manner less than we did before. It is a foolish submission to those who do not live in reality.
I believe in Global Warming. But I'm not pushy and shrill about it.
I think most people who don't believe we have an influence on Global Warming haven't done any independent research of their own and maybe are reading and listening to people who pass over the worldwide scientific consensus about global warming and focus solely on poor, little ol' Al Gore.
And yet you are quoting a source that isn't even accepted in academic realms while promoting a support that is not a valid means of establishing a conclusion? Where does consensus take place during the scientific method? (hint: it doesn't)
Oh, and there is no "world wide consensus". That is false.
Whats the first thing that many propose when they get PO'd at a business? BOYCOTT
If a business does bad by the consumers, consumers go elsewhere.
If someone gets hurt because of a product - the consumer has a right to redress through the courts.
You don't need government involved in most cases.
What government involvement has done in most cases is to cause the price of goods and services to skyrocket - resulting in higher costs to you and me.
I personally feel much more threatened by industry than by government. And I feel threatened by the masses of egoistic consumers who give industry its power in the first place.
Cost is not everything. There is no natural law that says products have to be cheap. If government forces additional tests and standards on companies that make products more expensive, than it is usually for a good reason. Just think of toys from China and such cases. Usually when the price is cheap, so is the quality. Making things cheap only serves to stimulate the consumption cycle as products don't last long and people don't appreciate them as much.
The subjective aspect is the level of danger/destruction claimed and the effectiveness of purposed solutions.
There have been numerous "environmental" causes in the past demonizing one thing after another. Some were reasonable positions, others were simply exaggerations and subjective appeal through fear.
Co2 is a good example, so is ETS, and others. They are promoted through poor support to which relies heavily on assumptions and little on evidential process. The solutions are also subjective in their support. They like their support for the need of them are also vague, assumptive, and lack proper validation to their claim.
So yes, there is a subjective part. AGW is entirely based on subjective manipulation of facts that do not support any conclusion but are driven to one none the less. These are not issues of "belief" as this is not a process of scientific evaluation. Only what is evident is important.
As for being clean, this is a good goal. We should seek to improve the efficiency of our technology. We should use less and get more from it. We should gain benefit from those improvements through them being cleaner, better, and more efficient.
This is not what is being sought though. Clean is being sought at the expense of efficient and better. We are told every day by this movement that we must "sacrifice", "give up", and live in a manner less than we did before. It is a foolish submission to those who do not live in reality.
So what is the solution to air polution from say coal burning power plants.
So what is the solution to air polution from say coal burning power plants.
This is an area I am not well read in. Do a search for the poster Coleman here on this site. He has an extreme knowledge on the issue and has argued against such claims of it being detrimental in the past. That is, there are a lot of misconceptions about the technology, how dirty it is, etc...
I personally feel much more threatened by industry than by government. And I feel threatened by the masses of egoistic consumers who give industry its power in the first place.
And yet you are not concerned about those same masses instituting governmental policy as rule? Madison and the other founders were concerned about it, so much that it was one of the main reasons we chose a constitutional representative republic as our form of government and not simply a pure democracy. Even then, they worried about the eventual corruption with a lethargic public, the same public that is responsible for companies getting too big and gaining too much power. When people are upset about a business fleecing them, they need only look as far as themselves, for a business is only as successful as it has consumers doing business with it. The power is in the public, the choice is in their hands. With government rule, there is no choice, only subservience.
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Originally Posted by Neuling
Cost is not everything. There is no natural law that says products have to be cheap. If government forces additional tests and standards on companies that make products more expensive, than it is usually for a good reason. Just think of toys from China and such cases. Usually when the price is cheap, so is the quality. Making things cheap only serves to stimulate the consumption cycle as products don't last long and people don't appreciate them as much.
Is it usually for a good reason? So you do not think there are schemes in the government which put undue pressure on business for political and corrupt reasons? I told you about California and the energy crisis, that the big utility companies used government to lobby for regulations that were extremely restrictive in order to eliminate the number of upstarts at the time which were going to bring about too much competition for them.
The government in that example resulted in a removal of choice for the consumer. Competition would have lowered prices and reduced the hold that the larger companies had on the product to the public, but government saw fit to empower them and aid them in staying a monopoly.
Products for the most part carry a natural price. A price that basically is the cost to bring it to the market. After that, supply and demand can adjust the price (yet not excessively). The consumers dictate that. If the consumers are irresponsible, mismanage their money, and do not pay attention to natural value, they pay far more for these products and companies, because people are willing to pay, raise prices trying to push the limits. In this entire process, it is the consumer that has the power and it is the consumer that causes their own pain. A responsible consumer market results in competitive prices, more options. The power is in their hands by simply being responsible with their money.
If the public is irresponsible, power can be gained by companies, but there is always an option, a choice for the consumer. Competition can still remedy the situation and often does when people reach an apex with company practice and price.
In a government control approach, there is no choice, only conformity and when the government becomes corrupt (as has been shown consistently through many issues), there is no option for competition, no choice, only conformity of rule.
You put trust in government and it will be the chains that bind you. It will be that which betrays you. It is handing all the power to the companies you despise. Money and power trumps every single cause on the planet. Anyone can be bought with money and power and this is why companies eventually corrupt the system, the politicians, and this is truly where companies become everything you fear, not through free markets, but through government.
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