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Old 07-21-2010, 02:37 PM
 
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You are entitled to your own opinion on the matter, doesn't make it correct, but you are entitled to it.
As are you. You are, however, not entitled to your own facts.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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No, I think the thread is about her support of such nonsense.
No. It's a slur. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:38 PM
 
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As are you. You are, however, not entitled to your own facts.
ok, practice what you preach.
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:39 PM
 
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No. It's a slur. Nothing more, nothing less, nothing else.
Whatever you say
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Old 07-21-2010, 02:45 PM
 
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ok, practice what you preach.
Your side makes the proposition (such as it is - "sharia compliant", WTF does that even mean?), your burden of proof.

Seriously, the great coup seems to be that while she was Dean of Law at Harvard, someone in the faculty wrote a book that analyzes why the idea Sharia of still seems to attract a lot of people in the Middle East. As attempts at implications go, that is beyond silly.

But hey, make your case.
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:25 PM
 
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It is a hot topic these days, for obvious reasons.

NOTHING you have posted supports the assertion in the thread title. NOTHING you have posted supports the assertion that Kagan wants to bring Sharia law into the US Constitution.

You're just scaremongering for the illiterates.
More scaremongering for you.

Islamic Finance 101 - U.S. Department of Treasury


Purpose:

This forum is designed to help inform the policy community about Islamic financial services, which are an increasingly important part of the global financial industry. The Department of the Treasury, working with Harvard University’s Islamic Finance Project, will host speakers from academia and industry to share information on the development of Islamic finance, both in the United States and globally. The primary audience of this seminar is comprised of staff from U.S. banking regulatory agencies, Congress, Department of Treasury and other parts of the Executive Branch. For some in attendance, this may be their first and only opportunity to learn formally about Islamic finance. We expect about 100 people in the audience. The presentations will be short and focused, directed toward policy makers rather than academics.


Treasury dept. works with the Islamic Finance Project from Harvard Univ. This project was allowed to begin under Dean Kagan's tenure at Harvard - after a $20 million donation from Saudi Arabia - from the same guy who blamed 9/11 on our policies.

I wish it was scaremongering.
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Old 07-21-2010, 04:43 PM
 
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I wish it was scaremongering.
Actually, I think you wish it was competent scaremongering.

So let me see: The US Treasury decides to conduct a seminar on banking practices in the Islamic world including on a paper authored by a colleague of Kagan's - and this somehow condemns Kagan? "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" is a game, not a way to form logical deductions.

As it happens, the US Treasury has published papers and studied Islamic banking for much longer than that. Here's a paper from 2006, to get you started.

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/international-affairs/occasional-paper-series/08042006_OccasionalPaper4.pdf (broken link)

That is because they're smart and professional, and realize that a lot of money is moving around in the Islamic world, that we're dealing with a lot of those people, and that knowledge is better than ignorance.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:09 PM
 
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And FYI - this seems to be the plan to incorporate Sharia law into our nation - by using major financial companies that operate under Sharia law.

Muslims in America will want to utilize Sharia banks in order to follow their religion. Maybe if we buy oil from the Middle East, we will be required to use Sharia banks so as to not offend the Muslims.

Then our government will be tied in to these banks. It's short leap to consider that at some point, knowing how those of Sharia regard their law, that in order to bank with them, we would have to adopt their rules - which includes the stonings, hangings, etc.

You can find out more here about financial jihad.
Financial Jihad in America

Here is a list of Shariah Compliant Banks (http://www.shariahfinancewatch.org/blog/shariah-compliant-banks/ - broken link)

Alpha Natural ResourcesAsset Acceptance Capital Corporation
Aviva Plc
AXA
Barclays PLC
BNP Paribas Group
Citibank, N.A.
Credit Agricole, S.A.
Deutsche Bank AG
Dow Jones & Company Inc.
Equity Insurance Group Limited
Goldman Sachs Group
HBOS plc
HSBC Holdings plc
INVESCO Perpetual
Julius Baer Group
Maersk Logistics
Merrill Lynch & Co., Inc.
Morgan Stanley
NYSE Euronext
Silicon Graphics, Inc.
Singapore Power
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:13 PM
 
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Actually, I think you wish it was competent scaremongering.

So let me see: The US Treasury decides to conduct a seminar on banking practices in the Islamic world including on a paper authored by a colleague of Kagan's - and this somehow condemns Kagan? "Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" is a game, not a way to form logical deductions.

As it happens, the US Treasury has published papers and studied Islamic banking for much longer than that. Here's a paper from 2006, to get you started.

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/international-affairs/occasional-paper-series/08042006_OccasionalPaper4.pdf (broken link)

That is because they're smart and professional, and realize that a lot of money is moving around in the Islamic world, that we're dealing with a lot of those people, and that knowledge is better than ignorance.
I understand that this did not originate w/ Kagan, but back in the Bush days - but she seems to have played a role in allowing access to Harvard. Maybe she didn't know what she was getting into. It would be nice for someone to bring this up so she can address the issue.

I am putting all of this out there so people won't think it's made up - that it's a real issue. Kagan's part can be debated - but this whole financial jihad seems to be valid.
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Old 07-21-2010, 05:24 PM
 
Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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It's not a real issue, it's absurd fear-mongering at its worst. It's like you're a 6 year-old who's blindfolded and playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey. You keep aiming for Kagan -- and missing. Badly.
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