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I'm just sick and tired of this worn out talking point, about how CA. is such a failure because of democrats (republican governor though) and liberalism. Ok even if that is true, well, don't forget that the New England states are doing, in an overall sense, well.
Lowest divorce rates are in New England, most colleges per square area are in New England. 2 of the states with the highest income rates (top 5) are CT and MA. Has (along with the upper midwest states) some of the lowest drop out rates in the US and 4 out of the 6 states in NE are in the bottom 5 in % of adults who are obese. Crime rates are along the lowest in the country (the lowest in you define regions in a certain way, with the possible expection of the North Central States). As of 12/08, unemployment was below the national average in the region, the only bad number coming from Rhode Island.
I was just blown away by how Bush defenders in the 2004 elections, tried to attack Kerry as being a liberal from Massachusetts. Well, so what? A liberal from Mass. vs. a cowboy from TX. The social ills stats for Texas (for stuff like crime and uninsured people) are usually in the higher range (top 10) of the 50 states.
Point being: Even though CA is having it's problems with liberalism (it's not my opinion, but let's just say it may be true), well, don't forget, that liberal policies and democratic representation (solidly ayway) work well in the New England States.
I don't think what conservatives think has any relevance in modern society. This was the big lesson from the Dunce Dubya era of the last 8 years. Only in his era will "dreams take wing."
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CA has issues with illegal aliens and minorities. I think that's is the number one issue that is dragging the state down and it has nothing to do with liberalism.
AZ is a conservative state, they have immigration problems running rampant there too.
I don't think what conservatives think has any relevance in modern society. This was the big lesson from the Dunce Dubya era of the last 8 years. Only in his era will "dreams take wing."
Conservatives don't consider GW Bush to be a true conservative. He tried too often to work with Ted Kennedy only to get stabbed in the back by him. he also was too liberal on illegal aliens and government spending.
CA has issues with illegal aliens and minorities. I think that's is the number one issue that is dragging the state down and it has nothing to do with liberalism.
AZ is a conservative state, they have immigration problems running rampant there too.
It has everything to do with liberalism. Many California cities opened themselves up as a santuary city for illegal aliens. The state of California (government) is very open to illegal aliens and increased their spending to help them. They're liberal policies have also helped to increase the number of minorities living off welfare. This is the same thing that went on in New Orleans for decades. Generations upon generations who look upon the government as their savior instead of trying to help themselves through legal means.
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Originally Posted by sailordave
It has everything to do with liberalism. Many California cities opened themselves up as a santuary city for illegal aliens. The state of California (government) is very open to illegal aliens and increased their spending to help them. They're liberal policies have also helped to increase the number of minorities living off welfare. This is the same thing that went on in New Orleans for decades. Generations upon generations who look upon the government as their savior instead of trying to help themselves through legal means.
Noticed how you dodged AZ. Not hurting as bad as CA, but still hurting.
It's got nothing to do with liberalism and you won't even touch the point about the New England states.
I'm just sick and tired of this worn out talking point, about how CA. is such a failure because of democrats (republican governor though) and liberalism. Ok even if that is true, well, don't forget that the New England states are doing, in an overall sense, well.
Lowest divorce rates are in New England, most colleges per square area are in New England. 2 of the states with the highest income rates (top 5) are CT and MA. Has (along with the upper midwest states) some of the lowest drop out rates in the US and 4 out of the 6 states in NE are in the bottom 5 in % of adults who are obese. Crime rates are along the lowest in the country (the lowest in you define regions in a certain way, with the possible expection of the North Central States). As of 12/08, unemployment was below the national average in the region, the only bad number coming from Rhode Island.
I was just blown away by how Bush defenders in the 2004 elections, tried to attack Kerry as being a liberal from Massachusetts. Well, so what? A liberal from Mass. vs. a cowboy from TX. The social ills stats for Texas (for stuff like crime and uninsured people) are usually in the higher range (top 10) of the 50 states.
Point being: Even though CA is having it's problems with liberalism (it's not my opinion, but let's just say it may be true), well, don't forget, that liberal policies and democratic representation (solidly ayway) work well in the New England States.
When New England stops being a big time majority white area with huge pockets of social problems on its border areas then come talk to us. If you cut off the Rio Grande Valley areas of Texas, crime, low academic achievement and poverty levels in the state go way down.
Same problems are happening with California in these areas.
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When New England stops being a big time majority white area with huge pockets of social problems on its border areas then come talk to us. If you cut off the Rio Grande Valley areas of Texas, crime, low academic achievement and poverty levels in the state go way down.
Same problems are happening with California in these areas.
Houston, Dallas and San Antonio, are not in the Rio Grande Valley. I think the big cities in TX, not in the R.G.V., hurt the crime rate more than the Rio Grande Valley.
did a look up on crime numbers for Texas cities versus other cities infamous for crime. For example, Dallas v. Los Angeles; Houston v. NYC and also of large Texas cities against each other. The statistics given are 2004 numbers.
LA is about 3x larger than Dallas in population but it has less murders per 100,000 people than Dallas. LA has about 3.8 million people and Dallas has 1.2 million people. Dallas leads in murder, rape, robbery, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft (See the image file I have attached at the very bottom of my post).
LA v. Houston. Both cities are very similar in population size. LA: 3.8 million v. Houston: 2 million. Houston leads in rape, robbery, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft. (See image file)
I also did comparisons of Houston and NYC. NYC is about 4x larger than Houston in population but still fares less than Houston in crime in a most categories. Population of NYC is 8.1 million and Houston is 2.0 million. Houston leads over NYC (crime per 100k people) in murder, rape, robbery, assault, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft. (See image file)
I then compared San Antonio and Dallas, both cities are very similar in size with each other. San Antonio beats Dallas in only 1 category - rape. Dallas exceeds San Antonio in murder, robbery, assault, burglary, larceny theft and vehicle theft. Both cities have a higher than average crime rate. (See image file)
Here's a report entitled, "Texas Tough? An Analysis of Incarceration and Crime Trends in the Lone Star State" from the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice:
http://www.cjcj.org/pubs/texas/texas.html (broken link)
Interesting excerpt from this report:
The comparison between Texas and New York is particularly noteworthy, as their state populations are relatively matched. While Texas had the fastest growing prison system in the country during the 1990s, New York had the third slowest growing prison population in the U.S.(26) During the 1990s, Texas added more prisoners to its prison system (+98,081) than New York's entire prison population (73,233) by some 24,848 prisoners. This means that the number of prisoners that Texas added during the 1990s was 34% higher than New York's entire prison population. Throughout the 1990s, Texas added five times as many prisoners as New York did (18,001). Nevertheless, the Lone Star State's crime drops were much less impressive than what occurred in the Empire State. Since 1995, the percentage decline in overall crime in New York was four times greater than the drop experienced in Texas, and New York's crime rate dropped twice as much as Texas. Even if you go back further, from 1990 to 1998--the decline in the crime rate in New York was 26% greater than the drop in crime in Texas.
Even if NE is very white, (the Northern part, yes, the Southern part is almost nationwide average when it comes to diversity) it's still liberal. It's working fine, with a socialist senator! (a cons boogeyman!)
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