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Old 07-28-2010, 07:19 PM
 
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I have thick skin: calling me a racist bounces right off.

What bothers me are those on this forum, particularly black posters', who insist that black racism is a figment of everone's imagination. That somehow it's only the Whitey who can be racist.

I agree that it's the small minds that need to be ignored. Let them waste away in their narrow world view. I concur.
What I want to know is when did we gain parity in white vs black racism. I mean....were blacks and whites just as racist as each other in 1840, 1900, 1950, 2000....? I mean....white treatment and attitudes about blacks have ALWAYS produced a reaction in black people towards white people....which whites like to now call "black racism".

I mean....if blacks and white racism has essentially always been equal....then what accounts for what happened to black people in Americe the last 300 years? If black and white racism is a wash...then what phenomenon oppressed black people, given that blacks are just as racist as whites?
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Old 07-28-2010, 07:49 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGf...layer_embedded

Only 55 seconds...
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Old 07-28-2010, 08:56 PM
 
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What I want to know is when did we gain parity in white vs black racism. I mean....were blacks and whites just as racist as each other in 1840, 1900, 1950, 2000....? I mean....white treatment and attitudes about blacks have ALWAYS produced a reaction in black people towards white people....which whites like to now call "black racism".

I mean....if blacks and white racism has essentially always been equal....then what accounts for what happened to black people in Americe the last 300 years? If black and white racism is a wash...then what phenomenon oppressed black people, given that blacks are just as racist as whites?

Is anyone going to answer this question?
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:03 PM
 
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Is anyone going to answer this question?
I know that you can't be serious.
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:06 PM
 
Location: The Heartland
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Is anyone going to answer this question?
Check out the video in post 12. As far as I am concerned, Mr. Freeman speaks for me.
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:21 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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[quote=Indentured Servant;15242267]What I want to know is when did we gain parity in white vs black racism. I mean....were blacks and whites just as racist as each other in 1840, 1900, 1950, 2000....? I mean....white treatment and attitudes about blacks have ALWAYS produced a reaction in black people towards white people....which whites like to now call "black racism".

I mean....if blacks and white racism has essentially always been equal....then what accounts for what happened to black people in Americe the last 300 years? If black and white racism is a wash...then what phenomenon oppressed black people, given that blacks are just as racist as whites?


Mostly other black people.

Work hard in school and take the AP classes...you're trying to act white.

Say door instead of dough and you're trying to talk white.

Keep the insurance on your vehicle current and you're a sucker.

Walk away from a pointless confrontation and you're a punk.

Whites don't cause black dysfunction. Blacks do.
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Old 07-28-2010, 09:49 PM
 
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What I want to know is when did we gain parity in white vs black racism. I mean....were blacks and whites just as racist as each other in 1840, 1900, 1950, 2000....? I mean....white treatment and attitudes about blacks have ALWAYS produced a reaction in black people towards white people....which whites like to now call "black racism".

I mean....if blacks and white racism has essentially always been equal....then what accounts for what happened to black people in Americe the last 300 years? If black and white racism is a wash...then what phenomenon oppressed black people, given that blacks are just as racist as whites?


Mostly other black people.

Work hard in school and take the AP classes...you're trying to act white.

Say door instead of dough and you're trying to talk white.

Keep the insurance on your vehicle current and you're a sucker.

Walk away from a pointless confrontation and you're a punk.

Whites don't cause black dysfunction. Blacks do.
Your views are just as racist as who you are disputing.

Lets see, in my high school it was 99.9% black. I was in honors classes, and never did I hear from my classmates that I was trying to act white.
I have never said dough instead of door, and have never been told I am trying to act white
I would never consider not having insurance on my cars, and have never been told I was a sucker.
At times when I have wanted to be confrontational I was told by those around me, that it wasnt worth it.

whites and blacks dont cause white and black dysfunction, individuals cause their own dysfunction.
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Old 07-29-2010, 04:08 AM
 
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Your views are just as racist as who you are disputing.

Lets see, in my high school it was 99.9% black. I was in honors classes, and never did I hear from my classmates that I was trying to act white.
I have never said dough instead of door, and have never been told I am trying to act white
I would never consider not having insurance on my cars, and have never been told I was a sucker.
At times when I have wanted to be confrontational I was told by those around me, that it wasnt worth it.

whites and blacks dont cause white and black dysfunction, individuals cause their own dysfunction.
THe problem with this statement is that it ignores learned behavior. Aside from instincts, all behavior is learned. Hence, the dysfunction, if not genetic, is also learned. Therefore, this begs the question of where does our learning come from? Our learning comes from what we see and experience around us.

Thus, what did over 300 years of racial denigration, castigation and oppression, from white society, teach blacks? What type of CULTURE did that environment create for black people? The answer is that aside from the economic deprivation.....it created a culture of low esteem or self worth and low self respect in which black people internalized many of the negative beliefs helf about them by white society. So dysfunction is LEARNED from cultural conditioning and culture is a groups response to their environment.

As an individual we make choices FROM THE ARRAY OF OPTIONS PROVIDED BY OUR ENVIRONMENT. Hence, if we live in a dysfunctional environment we are provided an array that includes a lot of dysfunctional options that seem good at the time, when if we were in a more functional environment the option would not be as appealing relative to the other options.....and those dysfunctional options would not be made. Individualism plays a big role.......but environment plays just as big a role.
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Old 07-29-2010, 05:06 AM
 
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Right now - race is the vehicle by which certain people want to usher in socialism. Race is being used to divide and defeat the American way and the middle class.


What?? I'll admit that the term racist is used way too much in today's society. But using it to usher in socialism??? And what the hell is the "American Way"?

Don't think so.
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Old 07-29-2010, 05:38 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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THe problem with this statement is that it ignores learned behavior. Aside from instincts, all behavior is learned. Hence, the dysfunction, if not genetic, is also learned. Therefore, this begs the question of where does our learning come from? Our learning comes from what we see and experience around us.

Thus, what did over 300 years of racial denigration, castigation and oppression, from white society, teach blacks? What type of CULTURE did that environment create for black people? The answer is that aside from the economic deprivation.....it created a culture of low esteem or self worth and low self respect in which black people internalized many of the negative beliefs helf about them by white society. So dysfunction is LEARNED from cultural conditioning and culture is a groups response to their environment.

As an individual we make choices FROM THE ARRAY OF OPTIONS PROVIDED BY OUR ENVIRONMENT. Hence, if we live in a dysfunctional environment we are provided an array that includes a lot of dysfunctional options that seem good at the time, when if we were in a more functional environment the option would not be as appealing relative to the other options.....and those dysfunctional options would not be made. Individualism plays a big role.......but environment plays just as big a role.
No there is no problem with my statement. You seem to feel that we are limited in the choices we make. This is not true. If someone believes they are limited, then they have limited themselves. I was raised with the belief that there is no limits to what I can achieve in life, so I never limited myself.

Also 300 years of oppression from the whites didnt teach me anything, well let me rephrase that, it taught me that in a part of our history, we had something we had to overcome, and we did. It taught me that even if there is a time in our life that things seem as if there is no hope, too not let that hold me down, since the day will be coming soon that will allow me to arise above.
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