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As I have put in earlier posts, perhaps the question should be why should we pay for coroporate welfare?
But to get to your question, the answer is simple really...because a nation which is ill fed, ill housed cannot survive. There is a minimum that is needed for a nation to function and to avoid unrest. It is necessary to have meat inspectors, mine inspectors to ensure safety, inspectors to help ensure clean air and water; we tried it without them and it did not work. Does society have an obligation to orphans, maybe, maybe not, it depends on whether you want to see in addition to the homeless men and women on street corners, children. Ill children cannot learn, ill parents cannot take care of them. A nation that does not have adequate health care will end up with people who can't get glasses, don't have proper nutriton because they can't get to the dentist. Health care protects everyone in the end by stemming pandemics, no longer do we see on a regular basis mass outbreaks of disease. Certainly it has gone to extremes in cases, but without a safety net, there would be instability. In the 1930's the US had political stabilty while Germany, Italy, and the Soviet Union all gave rise to new forms of totalitarian dictatorship, Spain had a civil war, France went from political crisis to political crisis, Argentina went from having the world's 4th largest GDP to no longer becoming a major world player due to political instabilty.
Moderan capitalism as envisioned by its founder, Adam Smith, is not for the welfare of the individual, but for the welfare of society and to this end, govt. programs are needed. Read the Wealth of Nations and one can see where conservatives have deformed it. "...advantages to a great society, are, however, of such a nature that the profit could never repay the expence (sic) to any individual or small numbers of individuals should erect or maintain. The performance of this duty requires, too, very different degrees of expence in the different periods of society."
It is really a question of where one draws the line.
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Actually progressivism as a coherent social and political theory is based on the idea that Darwinism applies to all living species, including humans. Margaret Sanger's eugenics springs from that very belief.
Actually, you are illustrating my point. No, it doesn't benefit everyone. It only benefits those who need it. Me? I don't need it now. I have needed it, however, it wasn't there for me, so I could care less.
Now? I could care less. I don't care about you, I don't care about anyone else. Call me selfish, an *******, or whatever; again, I don't care. If I have no money and I am sick/injured, that is MY problem. Its not YOURS. I don't expect you to work, to take care of me. I'll take care of me and my family.
Your ideals is what is ruining this country. I don't need the government or you liberals to tell ME, what to do with MY money. But that is what you want.
Hmm, I'm gathering you don't care. You mention having a HS diploma only, probably about 5 cents of your paycheck goes to those you despise. You need to research the US Federal budget and see where the money is spent, it will be humbling for you.
BTW, since you completely don't care, you also don't care about the family you mentioned. Government tries to ensure the long term quality of life and security of its nation. Under your selfish philosophy, your kids and grandkids will live in a badly degraded world. Maybe the sons of the people you despise will threaten your granddaughters. Maybe another oil spill will poison her, maybe she'll just get killed on a neglected highway.
I think this always had a good rational for having more social programs.
Of course, being a police officer...if you got what you wanted you would be out of a job to a private security firm that pays less and has less benefits. If a perp shot you, who do you think pays for your health care and/or disability? Especially if you can't form a union to fight for better benefits.
Hmm, I don't know, perhaps the whole waste of oxygen and die part of the OP completely destroyed any chance of having any type of debate in this thread??
Hmmm...I don't know either, maybe some good answers would help
[quote=dunks_galore;15312847]This is nonsense, just FYI.[/QUOT
Except that...it isn't. Progressives like Teddy Roosevelt believed that mankind is evolving and that those who had evolved faster had a right to direct the lives of those less evolved. It is the basis for the belief in a meritocracy. And, of course, liberals and progressives, fervently believe that they are at the top of the evolutionary food chain and deserve to run all our lives.
A question, very simple. I would love not to have the mud slinging, etc which will happen, however, here it goes:
Please, liberal's/socialist's, why should my tax dollar go to pay for your health care? Why should my tax dollar go to pay for your child care? In fact, why should my tax dollar go to pay for ANY entitlement program, except for national security, roads, and what we need to survive?
Now, and before it gets started, I'll be honest and up front. NO. I don't care about you. Health care is NOT a right. I believe in Charles Darwin: Survival of The Fittest. If you cannot think, breath, and have a life in this world, then YOU are waste of oxygen and should die. Yeah, let me have it, I don't care. No one care about me, if I were sick, etc. So, why should I care about you?
Child care? You spread your legs, you put it in her. Why should I pay for the kids, YOU did not plan for? Why should my tax dollar go for your kids education, a babysitter, et al? Shouldn't have YOU planned for that, before you had sex? Why is it MY problem, you are irresponsible?
I am serious, I want to know your responses? It would be nice, to hear them, without the slamming/slagging, etc. It won't happen, however, bring it on.
Did you have a family? Did you get a tax credit for children? You laid down and had 'em, so why do you think that you get a way out? Your a cop? Do you have an agent that bargains for your wages and benefits? Brought to you by a liberal. Do you have benefits? Brought to you by a liberal. Your right, why should I care if you get hurt? You knew what you were getting into, right?
Does your pay check get paid by taxes from the people? Perhaps, that should be the first entitlement program that we cut. Why is that MY problem? Go work for the corporations.
Are your insurance companies still in health care? Those very same ones that make life and death decisions for profit? It isn't even close to socialism.
AND why do I have to pay, on a continuous basis, for your lack of education? And rest assured that if you do not have a degree and are a police officer that it is harmful. Same thing in any aspect of the criminal justice system including corrections.
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We should have a portion of our money going to help other people out BUT where do you draw the line?
If the helper can't afford cable T.V.?
Why does he have to help a person to sit home and watch it?
If the helper is shopping at thrift stores, why is the helpee buying brand new clothes.
It just goes on and on..
Then you come back to the food stamp debate. You are eating tuna fish and "helping" but the one you are helping is eating lobster.
One thing I have found is that, those who can't afford cable TV, shop at thrift stores and eat cheaper foods usually don't pay much in taxes either. If their income is so low they cannot afford these things, just how do you figure they are 'helping' to buy them for others?
*sigh* some people in this country remind me of a 5 year old throwing a fit because he doesn't get what he wants...
If you do not have the qualifications for a job, you don't get it; if you don't have the money to raise a family, use birth control(although accidents(crap) does happen and those accidents not taking advantage of the system I have no issues with); if you have to pull the race card to get where you want to be, you don't deserve it; if you chose not to work, don't complain about the economy; if you can't afford health care, go back to school, get an education, then you can get a job that offers health care benefits(and please do not use the age old, I can't afford school, because community colleges offer degrees and lots of aid)...The list goes on!
Although, I have my own opinion, I do not condone what the OP stated about being a waste and they should die. That is way over the top..Me, I work everyday, very hard, go to school full time and take care of my family...I guess the concept of "if you don't work you don't eat" has been long forgotten.
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I think we all have insomina or we wouldn't be here.
