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Old 08-16-2010, 12:02 PM
 
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What do the RW haters that oppose religious freedom, except when it's Christianity, suggest we do..go tear them down?

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/14/ny...ml?_r=1&src=mv
Then I guess they don't need another one to commemorate their conquest, do they?
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Old 08-16-2010, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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According to some on the left, yes it is bigotry. And what if we come to find out that the funding is coming from Hamas or other organizations with terrorist ties? What then?? Will the left still support this mosque? I'm guessing the answer to that question will undeniably be YES.
The federal government is responsible for 501(c)3's, not the state. They should be treated as any other religious institution with regard to their funding. Tell me does the IRS check funding for churches and temples to see if they have political ties, do they make their funding available as public record?
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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The federal government is responsible for 501(c)3's, not the state. They should be treated as any other religious institution with regard to their funding. Tell me does the IRS check funding for churches and temples to see if they have political ties, do they make their funding available as public record?
The screeching over the funding is mostly empty rhetoric. For one thing, Rauf said they don't have the money to build but that he would make the funding sources public because of the concerns that have been voiced.

For another thing, if terrorist organizations wanted to provide funding and Rauf wanted to accept it, he's not going to get a personal check from Osama Bin Laden. Terrorist funding would come through back doors and be laundered. The local mobsters could clue them in on how to do that if they don't already know.

Thirdly, every so often there's a newspaper article about how it was discovered that a particular mosque member(s) or an Islamic "charity" was found to be a cover for terrorist funding. I'm sure this group will be watched closely. Given that they've been meeting in one of the most security-conscious neighborhoods in the United States, I'm sure it already is.

People from the hinterlands don't seem to grasp a basic fact: We know the terrorists are already here. As a matter of fact, a lot of them--and this goes back to 1993 and 2001--were/are based across the creek in my home state of New Jersey. Insistence on going after this guy specifically is kind of oddball--people are working on this stuff 24/7, and the terrorists are going to plot regardless of whether there is a mosque located in a specific place or not.

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Old 08-16-2010, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Then I guess they don't need another one to commemorate their conquest, do they?
On the contrary the conquest of the Burlington Coat Factory will provide world wide recognition. They have sought that building since it became vacant in 2001 in their quest to remove low end attire stores forever, can Kmart be far behind
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Boise
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there are already 5 Mormon churches near my house.. lets stop them from building another temple nearby! Mormons are evil because they don't believe in gay marriage...

logic anyone?
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Sango, TN
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there are already 5 Mormon churches near my house.. lets stop them from building another temple nearby! Mormons are evil because they don't believe in gay marriage...

logic anyone?
Had a good friend persecuted by her Mormon church in Idaho. Sick the way her church treated her. Another story, another time.
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Old 08-16-2010, 02:01 PM
 
Location: Boise
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Had a good friend persecuted by her Mormon church in Idaho. Sick the way her church treated her. Another story, another time.
I'm sure I am well aware of how she was treated.. I've experienced my own with them.. but I certainly wouldn't agree with some sort of action in keeping them from building a temple or church building.. I mean.. that's insane.
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Old 08-16-2010, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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The screeching over the funding is mostly empty rhetoric. For one thing, Rauf said they don't have the money to build but that he would make the funding sources public because of the concerns that have been voiced.

For another thing, if terrorist organizations wanted to provide funding and Rauf wanted to accept it, he's not going to get a personal check from Osama Bin Laden. Terrorist funding would come through back doors and be laundered. The local mobsters could clue them in on how to do that if they don't already know.

Thirdly, every so often there's a newspaper article about how it was discovered that a particular mosque member(s) or an Islamic "charity" was found to be a cover for terrorist funding. I'm sure this group will be watched closely. Given that they've been meeting in one of the most security-conscious neighborhoods in the United States, I'm sure it already is.

People from the hinterlands don't seem to grasp a basic fact: We know the terrorists are already here. As a matter of fact, a lot of them--and this goes back to 1993 and 2001--were/are based across the creek in my home state of New Jersey. Insistence on going after this guy specifically is kind of oddball--people are working on this stuff 24/7, and the terrorists are going to plot regardless of whether there is a mosque located in a specific place or not.
They have something like $20,000 for the development at this point so where are the terrorists funds coming from talk about innuendo and speculation. Out of the thousands of mosques we need to focus on the funding of this one mosque in lower manhattan as a focal point for terrorist activity? If that were the case and I doubt that it is, it is beyond belief that they would attempt funding this institution. Its great that all these congressmen are now telling the FBI and CIA how to do their job.

Great opportunity for Gingrich, Lazio, Palin, Pallidino, etc to weigh in on this rather than some real solutions to the real problems we face. Do you think it might be an election year?
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Old 08-16-2010, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Arizona High Desert
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I wonder if there is such a thing as being "churched to death?"
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Old 08-16-2010, 09:31 PM
 
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What! A Greek Orthodox Church will be built close to the hallowed ground of Ground Zero? I am appalled and outraged! Will these Foreign Religions stop at nothing?

By the by: I do admire those political leaders (Mayor Bloomberg, President Obama, et al) who are keeping level-headed about this issue, and refusing to pander to the 'Moral Majority' (since I saw some poll about how the majority of Americans are against the building of the mosque/community center). It would be so easy for a politician of either party to simply jump on the outrage bandwagon ('cough, Gingrich, cough') and lead the people down the path of religious intolerance.
agree.
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