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Old 08-22-2010, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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When I went to school (mid 70s to late 80s) our schools had one principal and one vice principal. Today they have as many as 4 to 5 vice principals. Why?
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Old 08-22-2010, 09:29 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Everyone has school choice.
You can choose to pay for private schooling or enjoy the tax-payer provided education.
Taxes should not cover private education.
then I should have a choice of paying the 10k, in school taxes yearly, or paying the private school

taxes should not be collected on those that use a different system
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:23 AM
 
Location: southern california
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then I should have a choice of paying the 10k, in school taxes yearly, or paying the private school

taxes should not be collected on those that use a different system
voucher system will kill the anaconda strangle hold the ACLU has over K12.
non community based public education has made k12 a cesspool.
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Irvine, CA to Keller, TX
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Less Than Half of Black Male Students Are Graduating - COLORLINES

" Depressing but important research: The graduation rate for black male students in the 2007/2008 school year was a lousy 47 percent. And half of all states had black male graduation rates below the overall national average. This data comes from the Schott Foundation for Public Education’s most recent report on how well schools are doing in educating black men. ColorLines’ publisher, the Applied Research Center, produced the video above explaining the Schott report’s overall findings. (Disclosure: The Schott Foundation is among ARC’s funders.) "

Folks we are on are way to being the next South Africa - a place where a few rich Whites and Asians are surrounded by throngs of desperate non Eurasian poor. In our society h.s. + a technical field is a minimum to be financially self sufficient.

How do we solve this problem? Do you favor a carrots (rewards for graduating) or sticks (forcing ppl to graduate by eliminating welfare), or something else?
It starts with the parents. I work with a black father that has no college education but frankly does better than most whites because he works his a@@ off. Three of his four children have attended or are attending college, 1 is going to a charter high school for gifted students. Two of the three have been valedictorians at their respective HS. Not bad for a uneducated black man that happens to be a great father and role model for all fathers.
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:45 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Maybe the US could analyze her northern neighbor's school system. Canada is doing pretty good in those Pisa rankings
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Sunny Florida
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It's not only poverty, it's a culture that doesn't encourage education. It’s probably the biggest change in the Black American community in the last 40 years. Black people regardless of social or economic circusmstances used to encourage their children to get better educations in order to have better opportunity in life. That all changed after the manufacturing jobs left the country in the late 1970’s and crack cocaine epidemic totally ravaged many Black American communities in the 1980 and early 1990’s.

Until more Black Americans embrace education as a cultural value once again you won’t see any appreciable changes in educational attainment in poor black neighborhoods. The irony here is the percentage of Black Americans with college degrees has steadily but slowly increased for the last 40 years. Like most of America now Black people live in a two-tiered culture.
I agree with you and I've been teaching for the last thirty-one years. It all starts at home and if education isn't valued at home even the best teacher in the world can't fix that.
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Old 08-22-2010, 10:58 AM
 
Location: New Albany, Indiana (Greater Louisville)
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Maybe the US could analyze her northern neighbor's school system. Canada is doing pretty good in those Pisa rankings
Canada's minority groups are all (exl First Peoples) well to do immigrants, they don't have 36 million people descended from slaves. Kudos to them for never importing slaves, we did and we're stilling paying for it. They also don't share a large border with a 3rd world country.

America's African immigrants do very well in education, its the ones whose ancestors were slaves who still have issues.
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Old 08-22-2010, 11:09 AM
 
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"its the ones whose ancestors were slaves who still have issues."


Please explain this for me!
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Old 08-22-2010, 12:10 PM
 
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You really need to widen your circle of experience.


Fast Facts

Educational attainment in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The second link is Wikipedia but the graph partway down is accurate.
In the mostly white suburbs, most of them have college degrees. I realize that in some poorer white towns they are in the minority.
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Old 08-22-2010, 12:18 PM
 
Location: nj
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I can not find the "meat" of the study .
If a student goes from public school to rehab school , home school or juvie school, or some other than the main system and graduate are the counted as not graduating ?
If a student drops out in the 8th grade do they count him in the study 4 years later when he would have graduated . Do the count him as a non grad the year he drops out or not counted at all ?

This would seem important to me.
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