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Old 08-31-2010, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Arlington, VA
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yet the ground zero mosque was the one who refused to admit that hamas is a terrorist group
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:38 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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No Imam/mosque in their right mind mind will admit to it. They may condemn their action. Remember in every group there is always the possibility of pro Hamas followers in their groups. So for their own safety they cant.

The American government wants Israel to deal with this the same way they do with American gangs. go after the people who did the driveby and not the gang that orchestrated it.

Rabbi at terror victims' funeral: Jews want peace, evildoers seek to destroy us - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News



Which still brings me to my question of if the only Israeli in Gaza is the one they kidnapped, who are they a freedom fighter for since there no Jews, except for one, in Gaza. Also they consider themselves as Occupied. To be considered occupied you need to be wanted back by another country. Egypt stated they didnt want it back when the peace treaty was signed with Israel.

Gaza already has a thriving economy that no one seems to talk about.
(Use Google page translate or click on 4th icon from right to go to photo page)

www.palestineonly.net

Wouldn't it just be easier for Israel to release Gaza to be its own little country and shut all border crossings into Israel. Let them have their port of entry and their airports. Then they will no longer be freedom fights. They will no longer by so called occupied (except maybe by the UN). And when they fire off their first set of missles, Israel can retaliate to this as an act of war. And the UN at this point can say nothing.

Its similar to Kurdistan which is occupied by four ME countries who are allowed to kill their residents without a peep from any other country
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:49 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Those attacks were only aimed at preventing the upcoming peace talks, as if they weren't in vain anyway
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Let them all form their own little countries and get back to making money by making and selling stuff to each other like they have been doing for the last 5,000 years. Maybe they should dissolve the country part and go back to only having local police to take care of the thieves, muggers and terrorists.
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Old 09-01-2010, 06:41 AM
 
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Let them all form their own little countries and get back to making money by making and selling stuff to each other like they have been doing for the last 5,000 years. Maybe they should dissolve the country part and go back to only having local police to take care of the thieves, muggers and terrorists.
Yes, I have thought of something similar, but not only for the middle east
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:13 AM
 
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Default The negotiatiations are waste of time as long as Hamas exists

Hamas proudly announced that it committed the murders. There can never be peace with the Palestinians until Hamas is destroyed. And that means that the Iranian regime must be put to an end (one more reason among many) because Hamas could not exist without Iranian money and weapons.

Some excerpts from the Hamas Charter:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).
"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."


The charter is a rather classical Islamist document, applied to the local issues. It declares that Jihad (in the sense of armed battle) is the only solution. It cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, a ludicrous anti-Semitic forgery. The "Zionists" and the freemasons and others are blamed for what Hamas and radical Islamists see as the major calamities of the world, especially the French Revolution.
One of the most ominous aspects of the Charter however, is this Hadith:
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews and kill them, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).



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Old 09-01-2010, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Bergen co.
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retaliation for the 1000s killed by the last isreali invasion perhaps
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:27 AM
 
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Yes, I have thought of something similar, but not only for the middle east
YES the PIGS nations need to get busy digging themselves out of an economic hole as well rather than depending on all of Europe and the World Bank to bail them out.
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:29 AM
 
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retaliation for the 1000s killed by the last isreali invasion perhaps
No, they kill because they hate. They will always kill as long as Israel exists. Other Arab countries could have given Palestine their own land, their own nation. The goal is and always has been the extermination of the Jewish state by the Islamic states.
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Old 09-01-2010, 07:50 AM
 
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No, they kill because they hate. They will always kill as long as Israel exists. Other Arab countries could have given Palestine their own land, their own nation. The goal is and always has been the extermination of the Jewish state by the Islamic states.
Unfortunately there will always be extremists and pro-terror individuals such as the poster to who you responded.

Your comment is absolutely correct. Their goal, as stated in their Charter, some of which I quoted in post #6, is destruction of Israel. Nothing less. It is their raison d'etre. They need no reason to murder. And that's what they have done. On buses, in schools, shopping malls, restaurants, supermarkets - wherever crowds gather. Their heinous actions are a based on their Islamism. It will not change. MURDER AS A MATTER OF POLICY.
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