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It has? Then why has such never been "accepted" by way of referendum of the people? Even in liberal states life California or Massachussetts. It is ALWAYS rammed thru by judicial activism. So that dog wont hunt.
It's not just that. Turn on a television and you'll see gay people, gay families, gay teens EVERYWHERE. Look at everything from Glee, Modern Family, Degrassi, Trueblood, Mad Men, Will & Grace, the success of celebrities such as Adam Lambert, Ellen, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry (who kissed a girl and liked it). Almost every single non-Christian college in America has some form of gay-straight alliance, as well as non-discrimination policies. Nearly all private employers don't discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation. Gay bars & clubs are closing because their patrons no longer need safe places to go where they can "be themselves" because they can be who they are in their public lives and no longer have to hide it.
Not to mention the fact that polls show support for gay marriage rising steadily. Most people don't care. Hell, the very fact that you didn't just say "*****s should be lined up and shot" in your post proves your hypothesis that "everyone hates gay people and only LIEBERAL JUDGE ACTIVISTS push gay rights through" is false. Know why? Because it would have been perfectly socially acceptable for you to say that just thirty years ago. And yet you wouldn't dare say that now because it is very socially unacceptable to do so.
Our society is changing. Maybe a decade ago you could've gone with the "nobody wants gay marriage because it's soooo gross" angle, but in September 2010, it just doesn't work anymore.
I watch the news and see genuinely bad people all the time, and I don't see the problem with gay & lesbian people. I honestly don't get it.
It's not just that. Turn on a television and you'll see gay people, gay families, gay teens EVERYWHERE. Look at everything from Glee, Modern Family, Degrassi, Trueblood, Mad Men, Will & Grace, the success of celebrities such as Adam Lambert, Ellen, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry (who kissed a girl and liked it). Almost every single non-Christian college in America has some form of gay-straight alliance, as well as non-discrimination policies. Nearly all private employers don't discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation. Gay bars & clubs are closing because their patrons no longer need safe places to go where they can "be themselves" because they can be who they are in their public lives and no longer have to hide it.
Not to mention the fact that polls show support for gay marriage rising steadily. Most people don't care. Hell, the very fact that you didn't just say "*****s should be lined up and shot" in your post proves your hypothesis that "everyone hates gay people and only LIEBERAL JUDGE ACTIVISTS push gay rights through" is false. Know why? Because it would have been perfectly socially acceptable for you to say that just thirty years ago. And yet you wouldn't dare say that now because it is very socially unacceptable to do so.
Our society is changing. Maybe a decade ago you could've gone with the "nobody wants gay marriage because it's soooo gross" angle, but in September 2010, it just doesn't work anymore.
I watch the news and see genuinely bad people all the time, and I don't see the problem with gay & lesbian people. I honestly don't get it.
Sorry.
Sorry for what? You are wrong from every flip of the coin. Tell me one state where homosexual marriage has been passed by a majority of voters?
Yeah, yeah, I know what public opinion polls say. Fact is, many answer these controversial questions because they are afraid of outright stating their true feelings.
And if you doubt it? Well, then why hasn't gay marriage been supported by any referendum in any state?
And I just HAVE to address this one seperately...
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Hell, the very fact that you didn't just say "*****s should be lined up and shot" in your post proves your hypothesis that "everyone hates gay people and only LIEBERAL JUDGE ACTIVISTS push gay rights through" is false.
This is so damn pathetic it hardly deserves much more than a contemptous laugh. Good gawdamighty. If anything, it just goes to show how some people (if the shoe fits, wear it!), cannot carry on a reasonable conversation and debate.
Yeah, you got it, that's right, man. I didn't come right out and say all gays ought to be lined up and shot, but dammed if I wasn't really secretly thinking it...
i think we have pushed tolerance about as far as we can.
i dont think they are going after people that have sexual urges they are going after the gay porno parade people.
as to cinema porno--- is a cheap substitute for the loveless lives so many lead.
abortion--- abortion at an early age is a woman's right over her body
abortion at 7 months is baby killing.
YEAH......let's go after those Straight Parade people....like at Mardis Gras....BOOZE/BEADS and BOOBS.....those heteros just can't control themselves...they are all like that....it must be true....just look at the Mardis Gras Parade....you see how they behave......GET REAL.....some of us see your double standards....put the shoe on the other foot for a change. A Parade is not indicative as to how people actually live...it's a parade for God's sake!.
It has? Then why has such never been "accepted" by way of referendum of the people? Even in liberal states like California or Massachussetts. It is ALWAYS been rammed thru by judicial activism. So that dog wont hunt.
Of course I would not like to see gay parents stripped of parental visitation rights. I am sure they love their children just as straights do. That, however, is not the same as saying the gay parents in question are not doing some kind of harm to the kids in the long run.
Really, my biggest issue is that I will never agree gay couples be allowed to adopt babies, or use artificial means to "conceive" their own. And there is no getting around it would be artificial. An egg and sperm are required. A male and female are required to furnish the same.
Think on this one just for a minute, ok? I maintain that never did nature say one thing and wisdom another (to repeat from an earlier post). A child needs a father and mother. We all know there are bad parents and bad examples, but by and large, it involves -- for a childs well being-- a male and female.
Lets take a little baby adopted by a gay couple. Or the product of a surrogate mother or sperm donor test tube.
How in the world is a little boy going to grow up normally -- in a lesbian household -- without a male figure to relate to him? And when it comes to teaching the boy the "facts of life"? How would that be possible for a lesbian couple to truly connect with what a boy needs at that age? Sorry, but it goes against every bit of nature to think two women will be able to handle it.
And vice-versa with a little girl child raised by two males? Will they play "dolls" with her? And what, when the time comes, can they tell her of the facts of life a pubecent girl needs to know?
This is something that is abnormal at best, and downright ugly and even obscene at worst.
No, it isnt. Male and female are different. Nothing is ever going to change that men are from Mars and women are from Venus! LOL
Of course we don't live in a perfect world. Which is why what you are proposing is just not possible.
BTW-- I don't in the least question your love and concern for your daughter. I respect that sincerely.
But I still stand by what I said earlier in that there are just some things so downright intrinsic and important to a child's development that can only be provided by a man and woman combination.
What ignorant posts.....you know you have gay friends in the forum who may take offense at your hatred!....Things are WAY more complicated than a feeble mind may comprehend>>>>> Intersex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
SO load up that gun....here's more targets for you.
You will never get rid of Porn. I have no problem with it. Men enjoy it . Some women enjoy it too.
You will never get rid of Abortions. Those seeking one will do it in back alleys or anywhere it can be performed : legal or not, safe or not .
No women wants to go through that experience and no woman wants to contemplate it but sometimes that woman has a reason and we need to respect her decision.
A baby is a baby from conception. It is self-evident that an unique human being is created at that moment with his or her own DNA that is neither the mother's nor the father's. He or she is their own person. We have spent decades inventing all sorts of rationalizations for the deliberate killing of babies not yet delivered like "it isn't really a baby", but this convenient bending of the truth does not change facts any more than legalizing and medicalizing what was previously homicide legitimizes today's infanticide.
The "livableness" of a newborn's life is determined by a combination of factors, including the following:
* The expected measure of suffering (not only bodily but also emotional--the level of hopelessness)
* The expected potential for communication and human relationships, independence (ability to move, to care for oneself, to live independently), self-realization (being able to hear, read, write, labor), and the like.
* The child's life expectancy.
If the infant's "prospects" didn't measure up, the child could be euthanized.
And others get to say that your lifestyle choice is perverse and disgusting - and that, though you are perfectly free to conduct your personal life as you please, talk of "gay" marriage is ridiculous on it's face.
yes, America has an obesity problem. No, I do not recommend chiding them. BUT, there are personal trainers, diets, and other self-help programs out there for overweight people to turn to. it's their choice
Again, I am not leading any crusade against homosexuals. Life is too short, and i have my own problems to worry about. BUT... stop trying to convince me that it's a good thing. Most people don't care if you are gay. So, why share that info with them?
You crack me up....your ignorance and hate filled AGENDA are MOST REPULSIVE...stop flaunting your Heterosexuality in my face and why are you posting in this thread more than the gay people....me thinks it's that age old adage....those who scream the loudest are.........themselves. Closeted - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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What ignorant posts.....you know you have gay friends in the forum who may take offense at your hatred!....Things are WAY more complicated than a feeble mind may comprehend>>>>> Intersex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
SO load up that gun....here's more targets for you.
ROFLMAO
How very typical of the "tolerant" mindset of all too many liberals. Ignorant, hateful, etc, ad nauseum. If one doesn't toe the PC line, then the afore must the reason, huh? You are a real wahoo and hoot!
Read this sometime. It is pretty much how I feel about your own feeble attempt to slam me. Big freaking deal, in other words.
You are right, though, I have friends who are openly gay. I don't have a single problem in the world with their orientation. Hell, one of my good hunting friends was an openly gay guy, and we would joke and tease each other about it all.
Bottom line is I know for a fact they would disagree with me on this subject. BUT...do you think I am going to give up my own value system simply because someone out there "might take offence"? No more than I expect them to give up theirs, nor "take offence" over it. .
If it were otherwise, then there would be no friendship to begin with. There is an element of mutual respect for the other's position that you are seemingly incapable of grasping. What is so hard for the leftist mind to comprehend that people can vehemently disagree on certain issues, yet the disagreement not be traceable to hate or bigotry?
But with all that said? Let me say this as well: You are a C-D friend. But we just take extremely opposing viewpoints on this issue. It is nothing personal, ok?
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If anything, it just goes to show how some people (if the shoe fits, wear it!), cannot carry on a reasonable conversation and debate. 
