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Old 01-13-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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By the way... still waiting for HD to say whether he thinks the millions of US citizens who do not have US passports are therefore not US citizens.
Why would you be waiting for an answer to a question that was answered many, many posts ago?

You are projecting, IC. Between us, you are the only one that refuses to answer direct questions.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:35 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why would you be waiting for an answer to a question that was answered many, many posts ago?
Link it.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Link it.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:43 PM
 
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Excellent! So we can finally agree that the lack of possession of a passport does not mean one is not a citizen of that country - contrary to what you had tried to assert earlier.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Another recap:

US Law offers no definition for the word "foreigner." It does however offer a definition for the word "alien" which is its exact synonym... explaining why IC refuses to answer the question regarding their shared meaning. He is fully aware that to answer the question honestly would destroy his argument... so he whistles past the graveyard and refuses to answer at all.

That definition can be found in the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act under which Barack Obama was born. It is this:


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The term "alien" means any person not a citizen or national of the United States.
Therefore... whatever John Jay's extra-constitutional concern might have been with "foreign influence," if his intention was to exclude "foreigners" or "aliens" from the position of commander-in-chief, it does not apply to President Obama. Since Obama is a citizen of the United States, he cannot by defintion be an "alien." They are mutually exclusive ideas.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:49 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Excellent! So we can finally agree that the lack of possession of a passport does not mean one is not a citizen of that country - contrary to what you had tried to assert earlier.
Finally?

You're the one catching up here, not me.

I never tried to assert such a silly idea. It springs full force from the voices in your own head rather than from anything that has left my keyboard.

You really have to stop making stuff up.



Now... it is finally (again?) your turn. We have been waiting for a very long time for answers to these two questions:

1. If Obama wanted a UK passport, would he have to apply for it?

and

2. Do you consider "alien" and "foreigner" to be synonyms?
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:50 PM
 
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Another recap:

US Law offers no definition for the word "foreigner."
Which is why we refer to the known definition of "foreigner" during the time of the First Federal Congress. Read the UC Berkeley Journal article linked earlier.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Which is why we refer to the known definition of "foreigner" during the time of the First Federal Congress. Read the UC Berkeley Journal article linked earlier.
Do you consider "alien" and "foreigner" to be synonyms?
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:55 PM
 
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Another recap:

US Law offers no definition for the word "foreigner." It does however offer a definition for the word "alien" which is its exact synonym... explaining why IC refuses to answer the question regarding their shared meaning. He is fully aware that to answer the question honestly would destroy his argument... so he whistles past the graveyard and refuses to answer at all.

That definition can be found in the 1952 Immigration and Nationality Act under which Barack Obama was born. It is this:


Therefore... whatever John Jay's extra-constitutional concern might have been with "foreign influence," if his intention was to exclude "foreigners" or "aliens" from the position of commander-in-chief, it does not apply to President Obama. Since Obama is a citizen of the United States, he cannot by defintion be an "alien." They are mutually exclusive ideas.
John Jay and DeVattel both planned on sabotaging the Obama presidency.

That's why they did what they did.
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Old 01-13-2011, 12:56 PM
 
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Finally?

You're the one catching up here, not me.

1. If Obama wanted a UK passport, would he have to apply for it?

and

2. Do you consider "alien" and "foreigner" to be synonyms?
Why continue to ask irrelevant questions?

You've already admitted that one does not need to have a passport to be a citizen, and we know what the definition of "foreigner" is in the timeframe of when the US Constitution was drafted.
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