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God forbid you should give a white guy credit for anything! We are all devils.
We? Well, if you want to be thought of as a devil, that's your prerogative. I don't ascribe achievements, good or bad, to entire races or groups of people.
What does what I said about Columbus have to do with you?
Because Columbus had balls Kind of like our early astronauts going into space. His route connected the world as never before - the impact of that profound. An amazing feat if you REALLY think about it. Now it's just a holiday. Christopher Columbus
So we have an excuse to indulge in Italian Beef's and Combo's in Chicago. And if anyone out there does not know what these are you are missing something!
That is the greatest idea posted on this board. There are none more noble than the Native Americans. Their society was not based on greed, gluttony and annihilation like the european culture that decimated them. Theirs is a culture worth celebrating and remembering.
There was not one Native American culture. Some were rather murderous, others were peaceful and wanted to be left alone by the others. When you look at real history, you see that native groups often invaded the lands of others, and very often you can see the evidence of one group fending off a hostile group moving in. They had their battles.
What's interesting is that some tribes sided with the British while others sided with the French because they were every bit as antagonistic toward one another as the Europeans that came were.
"On October 12, 1492 (the first day he encountered the native people of the Americas), Columbus wrote in his journal: "They should be good servants .... I, our Lord being pleased, will take hence, at the time of my departure, six natives for your Highnesses." These captives were later paraded through the streets of Barcelona and Seville when Columbus returned to Spain." [4]
"From his very first contact with native people, Columbus had their domination in mind. For example, on October 14, 1492, Columbus wrote in his journal, "with fifty men they can all be subjugated and made to do what is required of them." [5] These were not mere words: after his second voyage, Columbus sent back a consignment of natives to be sold as slaves"
So? Americans do the exact same thing today. Look how the liberal pro-illegal types defend bringing in millions of these cheap workers - saying the exact same words "they should be good servants, they'll do the lowly work that no Americans will do and for very little money".
Ummmm....... which Native Americans? There was no uniform "Native American society."
The Aztecs? Maya? Inca? The Aztecs were pretty damned brutal. The Maya as well.
While it's nice that indigenous Americans never developed (to the same extent) the kinds of vices that "the rest of the world" suffered from through thousands of years of societal development, let's not lend too much credit where it's not due. You don't get credit for not being a conquering subjugator if you lack the resources to do same even if you wanted to.
Indigenous Americans benefitted from their remoteness from the rest of human civilization --- Europeans, Asians, Middle Easterners and Northern Africans were conquering, murdering and trying to get rich since the beginning of time. Each new contact and invention led to improvements in either wealth building or war making.
With the availability of "Old World" weapons is a bit naive to think that the Native American culture (whatever THAT means) would have remained as peaceful and "non expansionist" as they were had "Old World" diseases not wiped out 90% of them. The US would be a very different place if not for the diseases (and no, Ward Churchill's "smallpox blankets") did not cause the Indians to die out!
Last I checked, white man's guns were very readily accepted and used by Native Americans, even against each other!
Edit: That being said, I completely understand some Native American's problems with the holiday. Symbolically, it's a significant date marking the end of a lot for their peoples. But, it's really just a bank holiday these days, devoid of any real symbolic significance.
lmao @ ward churchill- no but really the small pox blankets not cool, cause it did happen, we didnt have diseases until the europeans came her, and we took guns cause we had to.
He didn't murder anyone. You obviously were shortchanged on your education. If you went to a private school, try to get your money back. If you went to a public school, well then I guess it just met expectations.
Even as a joke that's a lame idea. Who would want to recognize or celebrate a bunch of primitive tribes wandering the land, always a season or two away fro mstarvation. A people so primitive that htey didn't even have the concept of land ownership. The arrival of Europeans would eventually raise up the quality of lives for everyone here with the introduction of written language, economics, and advanced scientific techniques.
By the way, in common usage a "native American" is one who was born here. The people you refer to are "indigenous people"
He proved that the world was much larger than anyone thought. World maps were redrawn because of his discovery. Yeah, he discovered quite a lot. What have you discovered?
Oh, but now that they're all socialists and panzies they're OK in your book? Europe at that time ruled the world. They were the greatest explorers, the greatest in science, the greatest in war, the greatest in art and literature.
The indigenous people of the Americas never accomplished anything significant. Even today most of the lands they control are impoverished, except where they open up casios to suck the money from Americans like parasitic leeches.
well what a bunch of bs
first of all you the one who needs an education, i could barely read what smart a$$ answers you were trying to write. and who would want to celebrate? Native people. yeah your hero was a murder and a slave trader. we were not starving you got that all backwards it was the first pilgrims who were starving until the who? NATIVE AMERICANS saved thier a$$ from starving. read your history, k
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Kind of like our early astronauts going into space. His route connected the world as never before - the impact of that profound. An amazing feat if you REALLY think about it. Now it's just a holiday.
Christopher Columbus
