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Old 10-17-2010, 09:00 AM
 
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Military Marching Bands: Your Tax Dollars At Work : The Record : NPR

All of the tea partiers are screaming about wanting to cut spending vs. raising taxes to Reagan-era levels for those with top 1% incomes (which would still allow them to live like royality in the US). For some reason, cutting anything in the military is off limits because "we need defense." OK, does that include well-paid (with benefits/pensions, of course) musicians in numerous bands for every department of the military? Let's face it, the military, for the most part, is a HUGE jobs program like every other aspect of the goverment. And, there is nothing wrong with that. People have to work & earn liveable wages. If a hedge fund manager can earn millions for whatever he or she does all day, that does not involve putting their life on the line by the way, then why can't an average American earn a comfortable living providing much-needed services the goverment provides? A common argument is, "But it's the private sector, they can pay what they want, even if it is millions per year for one person's salary!" The fallacy there is that everyone's money is intertwined. Corporations paying million dollar salaries inevitably get tax-payer funded subsidies, either directly or in the form of tax breaks. It seems as if the right wingers want to cut "welfare" to those living in poverty, but when it comes to the military-industrial complex Ike warned us about, then it's hands-off.
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:33 AM
 
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Military Marching Bands: Your Tax Dollars At Work : The Record : NPR

All of the tea partiers are screaming about wanting to cut spending vs. raising taxes to Reagan-era levels for those with top 1% incomes (which would still allow them to live like royality in the US). For some reason, cutting anything in the military is off limits because "we need defense." OK, does that include well-paid (with benefits/pensions, of course) musicians in numerous bands for every department of the military? Let's face it, the military, for the most part, is a HUGE jobs program like every other aspect of the goverment. And, there is nothing wrong with that. People have to work & earn liveable wages. If a hedge fund manager can earn millions for whatever he or she does all day, that does not involve putting their life on the line by the way, then why can't an average American earn a comfortable living providing much-needed services the goverment provides? A common argument is, "But it's the private sector, they can pay what they want, even if it is millions per year for one person's salary!" The fallacy there is that everyone's money is intertwined. Corporations paying million dollar salaries inevitably get tax-payer funded subsidies, either directly or in the form of tax breaks. It seems as if the right wingers want to cut "welfare" to those living in poverty, but when it comes to the military-industrial complex Ike warned us about, then it's hands-off.
Band members, in many cases, perform in combat zones and even pull limited combat functions (i.e. guard duty) when they are deployed in places such as Iraq. We have to be prudent with our spending in all parts of the military, but no more with bands than with any other type of unit.
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Military Marching Bands: Your Tax Dollars At Work : The Record : NPR

All of the tea partiers are screaming about wanting to cut spending vs. raising taxes to Reagan-era levels for those with top 1% incomes (which would still allow them to live like royality in the US). For some reason, cutting anything in the military is off limits because "we need defense." OK, does that include well-paid (with benefits/pensions, of course) musicians in numerous bands for every department of the military? Let's face it, the military, for the most part, is a HUGE jobs program like every other aspect of the goverment. And, there is nothing wrong with that. People have to work & earn liveable wages. If a hedge fund manager can earn millions for whatever he or she does all day, that does not involve putting their life on the line by the way, then why can't an average American earn a comfortable living providing much-needed services the goverment provides? A common argument is, "But it's the private sector, they can pay what they want, even if it is millions per year for one person's salary!" The fallacy there is that everyone's money is intertwined. Corporations paying million dollar salaries inevitably get tax-payer funded subsidies, either directly or in the form of tax breaks. It seems as if the right wingers want to cut "welfare" to those living in poverty, but when it comes to the military-industrial complex Ike warned us about, then it's hands-off.
fine with me...as long as we cut 'band' from every school too
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Old 10-17-2010, 09:50 AM
 
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But military bands stimulate jobs in the instrument making sector, where will all those people who make trumpets get a job?
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:01 AM
 
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Make the cts and let the managers of those institutions decide what to cut is my feelihngs. We can satrt out by goignback and lettting the militray decide what bases are to be closed as a example.W can alos let the militray decide what weapons systems they need alos instead of forcing things on them.
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Old 10-17-2010, 10:16 AM
 
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Military Marching Bands: Your Tax Dollars At Work : The Record : NPR

All of the tea partiers are screaming about wanting to cut spending vs. raising taxes to Reagan-era levels for those with top 1% incomes (which would still allow them to live like royality in the US). For some reason, cutting anything in the military is off limits because "we need defense." OK, does that include well-paid (with benefits/pensions, of course) musicians in numerous bands for every department of the military? Let's face it, the military, for the most part, is a HUGE jobs program like every other aspect of the goverment. And, there is nothing wrong with that. People have to work & earn liveable wages. If a hedge fund manager can earn millions for whatever he or she does all day, that does not involve putting their life on the line by the way, then why can't an average American earn a comfortable living providing much-needed services the goverment provides? A common argument is, "But it's the private sector, they can pay what they want, even if it is millions per year for one person's salary!" The fallacy there is that everyone's money is intertwined. Corporations paying million dollar salaries inevitably get tax-payer funded subsidies, either directly or in the form of tax breaks. It seems as if the right wingers want to cut "welfare" to those living in poverty, but when it comes to the military-industrial complex Ike warned us about, then it's hands-off.
I say get rid of the Military Bands right after we get rid of the 1.7 million New Yorkers off of food stamps... Edit: damn that's bigger than the military!!

At least the bands earn what they get....
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:10 PM
 
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I say get rid of the Military Bands right after we get rid of the 1.7 million New Yorkers off of food stamps... Edit: damn that's bigger than the military!!

At least the bands earn what they get....

I agree.

But not just those in New York.
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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How much ya gonna save any way? And who'll play taps at military funerals if there are no musicians in the services?
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:24 PM
 
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I'm fine with cutting unnecessary jobs.

You make a good point though, in that the military is a huge jobs program. Would the dems rather see people on the Army payroll or welfare?
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Old 10-18-2010, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Staten Island, NY
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I'm fine with cutting unnecessary jobs.

You make a good point though, in that the military is a huge jobs program. Would the dems rather see people on the Army payroll or welfare?
Easy: Welfare -that way they could keep them dependent on government largesse and buy their votes with tax payer money.
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