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Old 10-16-2010, 09:47 AM
 
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This is a bit on the naive side. You're missing that most people that don't like pot are already living next to people who are using it as marijuana use, especially here in California, is widespread. There really are very few problems because of it. In Humboldt and Mendocino counties, it's obviously a way of life, a culture. In the Bay Area, more people than you'd think actively use it every day. Legalizing it might increase some numbers, but it's not like we're not living with it already and while I don't use it myself, I've literally seen zero ill effects because of wider drug use than in other states that I've lived. I find alcohol to be by far the more influential force in society as its ill effects are undoubtedly evident every single day.

The only real question in my mind is would you like to add it to a list similar to tobacco and alcohol and start profiting from it? I say yes.
It's not naive. I'm basing my belief in what will probably happen on actual events that actually occurred when pot was decriminalized in Amsterdam.
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Old 10-16-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: NC
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Unless Calif Prop 19 violates the 4th amendment, I see no reason for the feds to get involved. I wonder if the anti government zealots are going to beg the federal government to get involved. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
The argument the federal government will use is that the feds can get involved under the controlled substances act, which they will claim is in accordance with the interstate commerce clause.

Not to say they should, but they probably could if they wanted to.
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Old 10-16-2010, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Now the Sheriff of Los Angeles county vows to arrest people who are growing marijuana in their back yards even if Prop 19 passes! Sheriff Baca says he will follow federal law even if the voters in California legalize cannabis. Los Angeles has more dispensaries and marijuana smokers of any place in the nation yet the Sheriff claims he will not follow the will of the California voter!
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Old 10-16-2010, 01:29 PM
 
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Now the Sheriff of Los Angeles county vows to arrest people who are growing marijuana in their back yards even if Prop 19 passes! Sheriff Baca says he will follow federal law even if the voters in California legalize cannabis. Los Angeles has more dispensaries and marijuana smokers of any place in the nation yet the Sheriff claims he will not follow the will of the California voter!
Why shocked? It is called LAW ENFORCEMENT and not voter will enforcement.
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Old 10-16-2010, 01:32 PM
 
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The argument the federal government will use is that the feds can get involved under the controlled substances act, which they will claim is in accordance with the interstate commerce clause.

Not to say they should, but they probably could if they wanted to.
And the moment the first union dues from unionized pot growers dues leaves California to the national Teamsters headquarters it becomes interstate commerce and the Teamsters have profited from the illegal drug trade. What a way to bring down big unions; go for it!
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Old 10-16-2010, 01:42 PM
 
Location: California
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I doubt it will be much of a showdown, They will cut Fed. funds to Ca. Game over.
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Old 10-16-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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I doubt it will be much of a showdown, They will cut Fed. funds to Ca. Game over.
Doubt it. They could have done that already with the major CA cities violating immigration law as sanctuary cities. Truth is the FED needs CA tax $$ and it would likely turn into a two way boycott rather quickly.
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Old 10-16-2010, 01:52 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Well California boycotted Arizona we might as well boycott the U.S. There is now even more resistance to the feds and some think it was a mistake for the U.S. attorney general to threaten California. They should have stayed quiet until after the election. Now the backlash is fueling stronger voter revolt among Californians who probably wouldn't have even bothered to vote.
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Old 10-16-2010, 02:44 PM
 
Location: NC
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And the moment the first union dues from unionized pot growers dues leaves California to the national Teamsters headquarters it becomes interstate commerce and the Teamsters have profited from the illegal drug trade. What a way to bring down big unions; go for it!
That might be bit of a reach especially because medicinal marijuana has been legal for years in California and to my knowledge no one has gone that route. On the other hand DEA enforcement of the CSA against state law regarding medical cannabis was upheld in a 2005 case.
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Old 10-16-2010, 03:03 PM
 
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That might be bit of a reach especially because medicinal marijuana has been legal for years in California and to my knowledge no one has gone that route. On the other hand DEA enforcement of the CSA against state law regarding medical cannabis was upheld in a 2005 case.
The pot growers were never unionized before were they? There was never an organized effort to transfer the profits, in the form of union dues, out of the state before. Once weed or the money directly derived as a result of its cultivation leave the state it falls under "interstate" commerce and is no longer intrastate.

I've written a number of representatives about this and it may indeed have some teeth to it from the feedback I received. I'd love to see the unions implode from their own greed in profiting directly from pot growers.
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