To what degree of diversity and multiculturalism are you ok with? (wages, generations)

[rhawkins74]

Originally Posted by Theliberalvoice

I see the conservatives sitting around screaming about how diversity sucks and multiculturalism does not work.

Conservatives, there is no way we can have just one culture or one religion or race in the USA.

To conservatives: So, what do you think we can do? If you hate diversity or whatever so much, what are you looking for? An all white Christian country? Do you hate seeing people of different faiths and religions here? Or are you ok with peaceful people of different faiths? You would not mind a Buddhist or Hindu temple being built by you? What is your take? I know a lot of you all don't like Muslims/Islam BUT are you ok with other faiths?

Lets see, conservatives dont say anything about how diversity sucks or multiculturalism doesnt work. You may have a few nut jobs that do as such, but conservatives as a whole don't believe this way.

And what makes you think conservatives want just one culture?

Again, conservatives dont hate diversity.

Your hatred, intolerance, and bigotry has you so blinded that you are unable to see reality. Not agreeing with entitlements is not hatred of diversity. Not agreeing with the racist liberals is not a hatred of diversity.

The belief that certain races of people need help from the rich whites to succeed in life is a liberal ideology. Conservatives believe that people should be judged by their actions, not the color of their skin.

If the liberal belief that diversity means that all races should be different and judged according to the color of their skin rather then their merits, then you can keep it. I would much rather a country where my children are judged by who they are as a person and what they accomplish rather then the fact that their skin is brown.

[Kracer]

I have no idea what either diversity and multiculturism means, as it is bandied about like bait in a politically correct fishing contest. One false cast and your out. That limited tolerance seems inconsistent with the purveyors of 'diversity' and multiculturism'.

Supporting either as a class or condition, disregards the value of any individual who may contribute greatly. Diversity of race or ethnicity, if that's what you are referring to, constitutes a very limited and partial list of novel variables from which new ideas may be sourced.

To claim the pc threshold of diversity has been met, does not guarantee a positive contribution unless a particular individual makes a significant contribution. It will qualify your business to receive government grants, that's for sure.

The div/multi concept implies the lack of openmindedness of 'management'. This further implies business does a poor job of management. That is true in most cases. A better apporach to ensure open minded management is to focus on business culture and begin to select appropriate managers who can focus more on business than their own survival. Tossing in random categories of race or ethnicity is ineffective given the bottleneck of **** poor management.

Of course, Div/multi cloaked as a means to improve busines or society then simply becomes a pathway to someone's idea of social justice.

Diversity has become a code word used by socially protected racists as they search for 'diverse' neighborhoods devoid of some other ethnicity or race.

[Zyngawf]

Originally Posted by Theliberalvoice

Ok, so I have been thinking about this question for a while now and it would be nice to hear both sides or see what else runs through your minds.

I see the conservatives sitting around screaming about how diversity sucks and multiculturalism does not work.

I see the liberals sitting around screaming about diversity is important and they believe in affirmative action.

I do not get either side. Conservatives, there is no way we can have just one culture or one religion or race in the USA. Liberals, there is no way to fit each and every culture into the USA.

But at the same time, I see where conservatives are coming from. Immigrants of today have just changed their mindsets.Not saying ALL immigrants are like this but from what I see in the Indian community (since I am Indian), I see big differences. They used to be so hard working and would show their loyalty to the USA. Immigrants of today feel they are special and entitled to a job as soon as they get off the plane and while having this mentality, they talk about the USA and how bad it is and how much they miss India. This is not an observation from just Indian immigrants but from other cultures too. It bugs me because I love the USA. My parents are immigrants and they love the USA more than India. They are loyal to the USA first but the generation of immigrants now are just "My home country was better...blah blah". GO BACK then!

I also see where liberals are coming from. Everyone has a right to practice their religion and live in their culture or lifestyle here. America is about freedom. There are poor people everywhere and you want them to be able to live their lives without persecution. It bugs me though because I don't believe EVERY single culture or way of living belongs here. Cultures that value men over women and cultures that believe in honor killings or stonings still. Cultures that are still so back-assed in the past that there is no way they can co exist with us.

My take on it: For me, I am a mix. I would not mind having a Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, Wiccan, Muslim (as long as they were peaceful) neighbor no matter what his/her skin color was. BUT I do not agree with going out of our way to make sure we are "diverse" or have a certain amount of Hispanics or Blacks here or there. Why should we accommodate to Muslims so they can pray 5 times a day? The only faith/culture I have an issue with is Islamic for obvious reasons. I'd fight against Sharia Law with my life. But I won't go there. That is for another thread.

To conservatives: So, what do you think we can do? If you hate diversity or whatever so much, what are you looking for? An all white Christian country? Do you hate seeing people of different faiths and religions here? Or are you ok with peaceful people of different faiths? You would not mind a Buddhist or Hindu temple being built by you? What is your take? I know a lot of you all don't like Muslims/Islam BUT are you ok with other faiths?

To liberals: Do you all really think we can have ALL different types of people here from different cultures and co exist? For real? I don't think so. Why are you all into making sure we have certain perks for minorities or whatever. Why is multiculturalism and diversity so important? If race is just a skin color and we are all the same, they why special perks for minorities?

Also, last but not least, if you just came to the USA and hate it so much, you have the freedom to leave!!

Thanks for reading. Man, I had so much to think about lately. I should be studying my math though.

I don't see conservatives screaming that diversity sucks. I am conservative and feel that I and most others don't feel this way at all. Conservatives support the rights of all citizens to live in a free society, and all families to have their own cultural and religious beliefs. But, I think someone else's religious beliefs are their own and I shouldn't have to hear about it all the time. I'm tired of having Muslim shoved down my throat. You can't turn on the TV without hearing about Muslim Muslim Muslim. This religious group and sometimes others are out of hand at times and I think conservatives aren't afraid to show they are tired of it. I want to tell them to quit being so whiny, go ahead a practice your religion in this free country, I support your right to do it, but leave the rest of us alone. The rest of us don't want to change to suit you. If you stay you have to find a way to live peacefully among us.

Myself, where I live I am not of the same faith as most of those around me. I have adjusted to it. It makes more sense than expecting changes from everyone else since my beliefs make me a minority.

[City Data Guy]

I live in a suburb that is over 75% Caucasian, and the Caucasian population is mostly German and Scandinavian. I'm 75% Scandinavian myself. I don't have any problem with it. I've lived in cities mostly populated by my race my whole life. Living in a more racially diverse place would be fine for me, but I would have to get used to it. When I notice that I'm in a minority, I become more racially aware of myself. In other words, I'm more aware that I'm white. I admit that I would be a little uncomfortable living in a city where my race is outnumbered by the other races, but I'd get used to it.

[rogerbacon]

Multiculturalism has never worked throughout history and it is a greater danger today than ever before. Today it is so easy for immigrants to keep their culture and connections to their home country. Phone cards for $0.02 a minute, internet radio stations (I['m listening to one as I type this). We need to do MORE as a society to encourage immigrants to assimilate. We need to promote unity and loyalty to this country. We need to celebrate our common heritage. Even if your grandparents or parents were from a different country, America's "Founding Fathers" are YOUR founding fathers too because the legacy they left was for all people. The greatness of this country is for all who want to follow its laws (including immigration laws) and want to pledge loyalty to it.
There is one culture in America that will give you the best chance of success. Call it “American” culture if you support it or “White” culture if you hate it. It is a culture of hard work and a belief that you are not entitled to anything but, through bettering yourself you and your descendants can have a better life.

Originally Posted by Theliberalvoice

To conservatives: So, what do you think we can do? If you hate diversity or whatever so much, what are you looking for? An all white Christian country? Do you hate seeing people of different faiths and religions here? Or are you ok with peaceful people of different faiths? You would not mind a Buddhist or Hindu temple being built by you? What is your take? I know a lot of you all don't like Muslims/Islam BUT are you ok with other faiths?

So, what can we do? We need to promote America’s accomplishments and not try to equivocate them or apologize for them by judging them in modern contest. George Washington accomplished great things. None of them were because he was White. Yes, at that time, in that context he would not have been as successful if he had been another rce but his race was not the reason he accomplished anything. People of all races should be able to hold him up as a great example. We should not need to dig through history books and find role-models that are race-specific.

Those of us that want to promote American culture rather than multiculturalism do not hate seeing people of other faiths and religions. People of all religions can all be part of American culture. Religion is largely a private matter anyway. However, part of American culture is founded in traditional Judeo-Christian values. It does not mean we have a theocracy running the country, nor does it mean other religions are not accepted. It just means that the basis for our laws comes from The Bible (by way of British Common Law). A lot of atheists get nervous when they hear talk about law based on Judeo-Christian values. In practice though this simply means the things that our Founding Fathers mentioned so long ago—that everyone is created equal, with certain rights that cannot be denied to them. It reminds us that government is not the creator of our rights but that they come from a higher power. Even if you don’t believe in a higher power it is important to get it on record that our rights do not come from government because what government gives government can take away.

Summary: As a one-culture proponent I am quite happy with people of other faiths and cultures coming to this country and adopting our ways, learning our language, and (when they become citizens) swearing loyalty to this great country of ours. We should not make concessions to immigrants but we should encourage them to become part of American culture and society because that is the road to success, both for them and for our country.

Good luck with the math TLV

[rogerbacon]

Germany seems to have caught on:
Germany's Angela Merkel: Multiculturalism has 'utterly failed'

[Redrover]

Originally Posted by gentlearts

This country is a big ethnic salad and the contributions of immigrants to the gene pool have made this country what it is; strong and vital. They came with marketable skills and they worked hard. They did not come with their hands out, looking for free stuff.
All these immigrants became Americans working toward the common goals of the country and trying to gain the American Dream. They learned American history, and they learned to speak English. They did not expect to be accommodated. They did not expect us to learn their language. They did not expect the schools to close for every religious holiday, they did not expect work days to come to a screeching halt for their prayer time.
I am worried that illegals and fringe groups will poison this country and drain it's resources.

I so agree with what you're saying. Back in the "Ellis Island" days of immigration, foreigners came to this country with the single purpose of becoming Americans. There were no hyphenated Americans, just Americans who were born some place else (but got here as fast as they could). Although certainly there were other languages spoken in individual homes, when these new Americans went to school, went to work and learned the ways of their new country, they spoke English. There were no ESL classes, nobody had to "press "1" to continue in English, no non-English billboards sprouted up on every corner, no ballots had any language other than English and we were that often-referred to "melting pot" country. But not now. Immigrants come here with the expressed idea of retaining as much of their previous culture and language as is possible. They want all the benefits of living in this country but none of the "inconveniences." Multiculturalism flies in the face of what this country should be, a single American culture with participants from many countries. Multiculturalism is about remaining separate, America is (or should be) about blending together.

[Ecovlke]

Originally Posted by City Data Guy

I live in a suburb that is over 75% Caucasian, and the Caucasian population is mostly German and Scandinavian. I'm 75% Scandinavian myself. I don't have any problem with it. I've lived in cities mostly populated by my race my whole life. Living in a more racially diverse place would be fine for me, but I would have to get used to it. When I notice that I'm in a minority, I become more racially aware of myself. In other words, I'm more aware that I'm white. I admit that I would be a little uncomfortable living in a city where my race is outnumbered by the other races, but I'd get used to it.

What I love, just absolutely LOVE about your post is you just stated the not so obvious. I think that by you becoming more racially aware when you're in a minority crowd is what minorities have faced since this county's inception.

Face it, through immigration and fecundity Whites quickly over-populated the Indigenous people of this continent. Of course, lies, trickery, and attempted genocide went a very long way, too. LOL, in the name of God and manefest destiny, no doubt. Other people of color had no rights, or less rights than the dominate culture. There were Whites who were treated like trash, too. Scots-Irish??

Things are changing. The civil rights act came by force, not a willingness to change, but people did adapt and most people learned to accept it. It has diversified our country, and improved our country. It's too bad some people promote, "Take our Country Back".

In most cases, if we simply repsected other people regardless of ethincity we'd be okay. -------In most cases, but not all.

[Ecovlke]

Originally Posted by Redrover

I so agree with what you're saying. Back in the "Ellis Island" days of immigration, foreigners came to this country with the single purpose of becoming Americans. There were no hyphenated Americans, just Americans who were born some place else (but got here as fast as they could). Although certainly there were other languages spoken in individual homes, when these new Americans went to school, went to work and learned the ways of their new country, they spoke English. There were no ESL classes, nobody had to "press "1" to continue in English, no non-English billboards sprouted up on every corner, no ballots had any language other than English and we were that often-referred to "melting pot" country. But not now. Immigrants come here with the expressed idea of retaining as much of their previous culture and language as is possible. They want all the benefits of living in this country but none of the "inconveniences." Multiculturalism flies in the face of what this country should be, a single American culture with participants from many countries. Multiculturalism is about remaining separate, America is (or should be) about blending together.

There were no hyphenated Americans, just Americans who were born some place else (but got here as fast as they could).

Bong!!! Wrong, there were people like my dad, full-blood Mvskoke, and his parents, full blood Mvskoke. We were on the banks when the first Euro-emigrates got off of the immigrate boat.

they spoke English.

Bong!!! No, they didn't. They spoke Mvskoke, Choctaw, Cherokee, Commanche, Cheyenne, Lakota, Algonquian, and over 500 ohter languages. Did the new immgrants learn those languages?

The only reason I state this is that people need to remember why and how you got here. Before you bash new immigrants remember YOU were an immigrant. Or a descendent of one. English or not. Unless you were full-blood like my dad.

[mhouse2001]

I'm not "afraid" of diversity, but I don't like it. When I go around my neighborhood or city, I don't want to be assaulted with a cacophony of foreign languages and manners of dress. I don't want to see weird hairdos and people with piercings and tattoos. I don't want to be any place where the people feel they are out of place--which, when you think of it, is probably the best description I could give here. If I don't feel like I fit in, then I don't want to be there. I'm more liberal than conservative, so my take on this issue is probably surprising.