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Jefferson's words were intended to illustrate the importance of individual liberty. They had nothing to do with justifying the actions of a bloated and overly powerful government.
Care to try again without attempting to twist words to support your position?
" I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. " Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US president 1801-1809
" I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country. " Thomas Jefferson, 3rd US president 1801-1809
Better but more of an admonition of the dangers of aristocracy than an outcry against publicly held corporations (as they were essentially non-existent at that time).
A case could easily be made painting today's political ruling class as the aristocracy Jefferson was admonishing us to constrain.
A war had recently been fought to free the nation from an oppressive government. The last thing any of the Founders were hoping to accomplish was the construction of yet another all powerful regime. Realistically speaking you will not find any quotes from the Founders of this nation that support your unending quest to empower government into the very role the Founders opposed.
Last edited by outbacknv; 11-14-2010 at 10:31 PM..
People do not file "medical" bankruptcies.. they file bankruptcies for medical reasons but not due to the bills. Its mortgages, car loans, credit card bills etc which cause bankruptcies. I know.. you wont believe me so I challenge you.
Find me ONE person who has filed bankruptcy to avoid medical bills because the hospital was going after their home etc, and the only way to protect their assets is to file bk.. JUST ONE..
Fact is medical bankruptcies will continue to happen, even if by some miracle universal healthcare comes to market.. People have bills they need to pay and its those bills which create bk.. not the illness itself..
As an investor who invests often enough in private companies doing drug research, I can assure you that you are wrong. I follow the FDA reports almost daily for pharmaceutical results and they happen far more often from private enterprises than any federal government.
The fact that the "sky didnt fall" last year had little to do with governmental interaction.. In fact it had NOTHING to do with governmental involvement. People didnt need government to go get a flu shot.. I know you find this difficult to believe but its true.
Your example of Polio is a prime example of PRIVATE entities not government funding medical research.. The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis funded the Polio research, not the federal government.
I never thought I'd see the day when I'd have a discussion with someone who seriously thinks that without the government funding medical and pharmacy research we would die.
I will point out the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis is not a drug company; it is in fact a non-profit organization.
What is the GOP going to do, just destroy Healthcare Reform Act, and that's it?
GOP wants to spend taxpayers money on endless efforts at repeal against Healthcare Reform Act (law which the majority of the public wants, and even wants more of)?
What is the Republican healthcare reform plan, what Congressman Alan Grayson said, to get sick and die?
Simple fact: You want healthcare for YOUR kids (you had them, not me) pay for them yourself.
My money should not be going to pay for your childs, or any other childs, anything; including healthcare. If you can't afford children don't have them. Its that simple.
Moreover, you want socialism, move to another country and quit screwing up things here.
Probably. Republican polticians don't care about average Americans--let alone their health care. Or else they would have tried to solve this problem earlier.
Solve the problem? The very same repubs as well as dems are the ones responsible for the high cost of coverage we pay now. Blame them for not allowing competition between states which keeps prices higher. Blame them for trumping states rights under ERISA by capping the lawsuit to the amount of the original claim plus court and lawyer fees. Quit looking to the ones who stifle competition and add costs to solve the problem.
I will point out the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis is not a drug company; it is in fact a non-profit organization.
And? While you were busy pointing out its a non-profit, you failed to note that its NOT THE GOVERNMENT.. See we didnt need government to fund polio, despite your claims that we did..
I also said that PRIVATE entities fund research, they are a non-profit, they are a private entity.. Private entities fund far more medical research than any governmental agency ever could. Thanks for confirming the accuracy of my postings
Wow.. out of context quotes which ignore numerous items.. But tell me, what do you think about the fact that reports show that healthcare costs will be .3% higher in 2019 because of Obamacare than without it as comparison of GDP? Tell me what you think of the fact that corporate scrooges WROTE the bill passed by Obama? Do you know these things? Do you even care? Or do you live to attack the GOP with thread after thread of meaningless gibbor gabber?
Aspies, . I'm reposting this for your benefit.. it doesnt agree with your own little misconception about how the Obamacare will cut down on costs, or because it shows you how the Democrats are in bed with big corporations and you just cant bring yourself to acknowledge this fact because in your own little mind its "GOP to blame" even when the GOP had no power.. NONE.. ZERO.. ZIP.. You see many of us look outside of what "Obama" says to find the real truth.. Maybe you should try it and stop bending over for him like he's your god sent to earth to protect you form big bad society..
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Simple fact: You want healthcare for YOUR kids (you had them, not me) pay for them yourself.
My money should not be going to pay for your childs, or any other childs, anything; including healthcare. If you can't afford children don't have them. Its that simple.
Moreover, you want socialism, move to another country and quit screwing up things here.
Wow. I suppose you would rather pay corporate insurance so all those profiteering CEOs and shareholders get even MORE of your money insteadWhen I had mine, birth was paid for by the US Navy. So sorry you had to "pay" for US military birth.
Now he is diagnosed disabled permanently, so he is on corporate coverage (primary) AND Medicaid (secondary, which picks up minimal copays). So sorry that he was disabled by environmental causes most likely due to GOP deregulation.
I tell you what, GOP can pay all his expenses and then corporate insurance and Medicaid gets off scott-free.
AND DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME TO LEAVE MY BELOVED COUNTRY, THAT IS THE WORST OF PERSONAL ATTACKS.
Tell the bastard corporate criminal insurance middlemen rackets to leave our country, the ones that profiteer off of sick people. And getting rid of them is NOT "socialized medicine", you can still use your CHOICE of private doctors and hospitals
By the way, you gonna tell the hypocrite Palin family to LEAVE the USA?
'..."Because the majority of Tripp's health care costs are already covered by the IHS and the Alaska Native Medical Center, Mr. Johnston has no need to purchase additional health insurance and this deduction should not be allowed," the attorneys said in acourt filing...'
Last edited by aspiesmom; 11-15-2010 at 07:30 AM..
There seems to be as much limit on selfishness as on greed when discussing health care.
I think it is my DUTY as a member of this society to help my neighbors with health issues. I do not think it is my duty to make insurance company, hospital and insurance company executives and investors wealthy while I am helping my neighbors.
I oppose the basic premise in the current bill that everyone has to buy private sector insurance. That is just feeding the greedy ever more money and a step in the wrong direction. I think we needed a Health Insurance system that used the Federal Government as the insurer. Fees would be assessed as an income tax surcharge and payments set by prevailing rates. The money squandered on huge executive salaries and drug company monopoly profits would no longer be spent.
Another alternative is to eliminate all insurance altogether and have people save money and pay cash for service. No cash, No service. How well do you think this would work for individuals or the overall economy?
'..."Because the majority of Tripp's health care costs are already covered by the IHS and the Alaska Native Medical Center, Mr. Johnston has no need to purchase additional health insurance and this deduction should not be allowed," the attorneys said in acourt filing...'
From the original article upon which your links and accusations are based.
First, the title; "Palin Family Could Apply For Free Federal Health Care." The use of the word could should have given you a clue that the article wasn't claiming they did.
Next, from the text of the article; "It’s unclear whether the Palin’s ever used the native health-service program. But, it’s likely that the family had a better option than “paying out-of-pocket” for health-care coverage."
Again, no claim that they used the services. Simply a statement that they were eligible to use them.
Wildly flinging accusations with no actual evidence does nothing to justify your oft espoused hatred for someone with whom you disagree.
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