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Old 11-15-2010, 09:56 PM
 
Location: anchorage
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Even the New York Times writers are agreeing with her now! Amasing how if you wait long enough the truth will come out. Chaulk another one up for Sarah.

NY Times columnist confirms Palin's death panels comments - National conservative | Examiner.com
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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Even the New York Times writers are agreeing with her now! Amasing how if you wait long enough the truth will come out. Chaulk another one up for Sarah.

NY Times columnist confirms Palin's death panels comments - National conservative | Examiner.com
Um, no. "Chaulk" up another failure for you and the other clueless conservative sheep for failing to understand that in every health care system, there is always something that could be interpreted as a "death panel". In our current system, it is called an "insurance company". And in our current system, plenty of people every year are effectively sentenced to bankruptcy and/or death by these "panels" - don't kid yourself.
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Old 11-15-2010, 10:30 PM
 
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Um, no. "Chaulk" up another failure for you and the other clueless conservative sheep for failing to understand that in every health care system, there is always something that could be interpreted as a "death panel". In our current system, it is called an "insurance company". And in our current system, plenty of people every year are effectively sentenced to bankruptcy and/or death by these "panels" - don't kid yourself.

Yup...Yup...Yup. The sad truth is that the rightwing doesn't have any problem with the idea of poor or sick people who couldn't afford private health insurance dying for want of medical care. That's our wonderful "free enterprise system" in action to them. Health insurance is a "privilege" and unless your "privileged" you don't get it.

It makes me sick to say it. I believe alot of the difficulty enacting health insurance reform is that we have a segment of this country that literally doesn't believe another segment (the poor, those with chronically bad health) deserves to live. Hard to reason with people who have a mentality like that.

The death panel argument is really a bottom of the barrel argument dredged up by those who realized with heavy democratic majorities in the 2009-2011 Congress they were almost certain to lose the health insurance debate. Its sad to see how many gullible people swallowed it.
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Old 11-15-2010, 11:17 PM
 
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The left is big on death and they will find more people worthy of it if you give them a chance.
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:13 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Um, no. "Chaulk" up another failure for you and the other clueless conservative sheep for failing to understand that in every health care system, there is always something that could be interpreted as a "death panel". In our current system, it is called an "insurance company". And in our current system, plenty of people every year are effectively sentenced to bankruptcy and/or death by these "panels" - don't kid yourself.

Right now, you cannot be refused service to keep you from death. Insurance or not.

Insurance and government manipulation of insurance companies, creates death panels.

It is not a GOD given right to a doctor.

It is not a right to be given or taken away.

GOD gives me the right to walk this Earth and use all my senses.
Everything else is regulated, by control.
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:28 AM
 
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GOD gives me the right to walk this Earth and use all my senses.
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Try using some of that common sense from time to time too, would you? A person may very well be refused treatment that could save their life, if their insurance company decides it doesn't want to pay. That's assuming the patient has insurance at all. If they don't, well then they could be entirely S.O.L. It happens every day.
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:32 AM
 
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Even the New York Times writers are agreeing with her now! Amasing how if you wait long enough the truth will come out. Chaulk another one up for Sarah.

NY Times columnist confirms Palin's death panels comments - National conservative | Examiner.com
If you read the article, he was clearly being tongue-in-cheek about "death panels" (Palin's term, not his) and using the term derisively, but of course this is being twisted to suit GOP for their useful idiots.

The problem with FOR-PROFIT insurance plans however, is that NECESSARY procedures are denied, even LIFE-SAVING PROCEDURES, in order to retain PROFITS. The real death panels are on the boards of corporate wealthcare :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7czJ36okQTU
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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Even the New York Times writers are agreeing with her now! Amasing how if you wait long enough the truth will come out. Chaulk another one up for Sarah.

NY Times columnist confirms Palin's death panels comments - National conservative | Examiner.com
I wonder if these same people will now label Krugman with the "Lie of the year"?

By Angie Drobnic Holan, December 18th, 2009

PolitiFact readers overwhelming chose Sarah Palin's claim that the health care bill contains " death panels " as Lie of the Year. A resounding 61 percent of our 4,864 voters picked death panels as the top lie. No other finalist in the field of eight statements came close
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PolitiFact | And the runners-up ...

PolitiFact's Lie of the Year: 'Death panels'
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Old 11-16-2010, 07:58 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Try using some of that common sense from time to time too, would you? A person may very well be refused treatment that could save their life, if their insurance company decides it doesn't want to pay. That's assuming the patient has insurance at all. If they don't, well then they could be entirely S.O.L. It happens every day.

Then common sense would tell me in that scenario, that we should get rid of insurance and you pay your doctor directly.

That would make you shop around and look for the market you could afford. Service market, Price market or Quality market.

It would make the doctors choose and compete in the market they wish to be competitive in, or they are qualified for.

Doctors would have to come down to a price the patients could afford.

You want insurance? Make insurance a non-profit organization, instead of a profit making corporation. Like it originally was, before Nixon got a grand idea.
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Old 11-16-2010, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Wisconsin
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If you read the article, he was clearly being tongue-in-cheek about "death panels" (Palin's term, not his) and using the term derisively, but of course this is being twisted to suit GOP for their useful idiots.

The problem with FOR-PROFIT insurance plans however, is that NECESSARY procedures are denied, even LIFE-SAVING PROCEDURES, in order to retain PROFITS. The real death panels are on the boards of corporate wealthcare :
He said the same thing earlier too:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aogCaGv9i78

Panels deciding who lives, who dies, being run by the government is what Palin was afraid of, especially if the democrat's dream of a government run single payer health care is the only healthcare available.
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