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Old 11-27-2010, 08:06 PM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Thank you for pointing this out again.

One of my great-Aunts invested in GM long ago, hoping to have something to hand down to future generations. She sacrificed hard-earned cash at a time when money was scarce to invest in what she thought was a great American institution.

I'm glad my Dad had stopped keeping track of this stock long before he passed away. It would have been very sad for him think that this legacy to me was stolen by GM corporate mismanagement combined with political corruption by a President of the US, particularly since he lived his whole life with interest on the Labor side that were never once supported by our government.

Can someone explain to me why GM shareholders were not offered stock in the new company as compensation?
You mean the shares that were down to 75 cents a share just before the bankruptcy? Why anyone stayed in that long when the handwriting was on the wall for six months prier is beyond me. There wasn't much value there to compensate, was there.
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:09 PM
 
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You realize those Unions, are made up of a lot of American working people, right?
I'm really confused by this statement.. (as most from you)..

Are you saying that because the unions are made up of americans, that hell with the laws, the court systems, the creditor standards, and that we are now re-organizing priorities based upon ones citizen status over the laws put in place to protect everyone?
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:11 PM
 
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You mean the shares that were down to 75 cents a share just before the bankruptcy? Why anyone stayed in that long when the handwriting was on the wall for six months prier is beyond me. There wasn't much value there to compensate, was there.
As a guy who guaranteed tens of millions of shares of GM, I can tell you that they ONLY fell to $.75 because they were filing bankruptcy in order to screw the investors. Ford for example was in the EXACT same position but they managed to avoid bk...
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:13 PM
 
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Can someone explain to me why GM shareholders were not offered stock in the new company as compensation?
Shareholders are NEVER offered stock in the new company as compensation. You buy stock knowing darn well that if they file bk, you are lost on the list for reimbursement after all of the assets are divided up.. But.. stock holders are normally above unions on the chain of command so if the stock holders got squat, unions should have received even less..
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Apple Valley Calif
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Without the Unions, y'all be working 7 days a week, with little pay and no benefits?

Do you morons actually think your company gives you decent wages and benefits, from the goodness of their hearts?

SOMEONE had to bump heads with them, to force them to treat their employees like human beings!?

Steve


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The unions served a purpose 100 years ago, not since....
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Old 11-27-2010, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Indiana
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Why is it any time someone says the word "union" the ignorant right wing fools start jumping around and yelling like apes at the zoo?
because the see the other apes from the left jumpimg up and down
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Old 11-27-2010, 09:02 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Why is it any time someone says the word "union" the ignorant right wing fools start jumping around and yelling like apes at the zoo?
I'd rep you for that one if I could. To answer your question, I suspect it is lack of intelligence and a conditioned Pavlovian response caused by listening to partisan nonsense on on AM radio.
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Old 11-27-2010, 09:11 PM
 
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For me it's the word "General Motors", I don't care if it's the unions that killed them or the basic inability to make decent cars at competitive prices. Or the slimy sleezy execs that flew back and forth between Detroit and WashDC in their sleek jets. The bloodsucking company cheated death on my dime and added moral hazard to any enterprise to last a lifetime. I hope they go under eventually, the Darwin law demands it.
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Old 11-27-2010, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Chandler, AZ
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As long as the unions continue to hold sway in Detroit, GM is bound to flounder more and more, and DOA automobiles such as the Chevy Volt will essentially seal their doom in the marketplace, while Ford, Hyundai, Honda, Toyota, Nissan and the Germans continue to roll merrily along.....
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Old 11-28-2010, 12:09 AM
 
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The unions served a purpose 100 years ago, not since....
Really? So they've not done a damn thing good since 1910, huh?
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