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And you have done a great job of reminding me what one of the most obvious reasons for the high price of automobiles is today. Thirty years ago I was reading, I guess those horrible right wing people, talking about the effect on prices of autos of the goodies to the unions. I guess it depends on where you stand, politically, which side is the most right or wrong.
Ya, those "horrible" Big Three workers and all their benefits have built the middle class in America, making us the envy of the world. It would have been so much better for us if there were no unions so that we could compete with 3rd world nations on their level---put the kids to work in factories, bring back the 14 hour days, do without safety regulations and job security, etc., etc. I can't believe how many people in this country want us to enter the race to the bottom when it comes to manufacturing and life-style as we know it today.
It REALLY pays to be a labor union under this administration:
The boon for the union fits the pattern established when the White House pushed GM into bankruptcy and steered it through the courts in a way that consistently put the interests of the union ahead of many suppliers, dealers and investors — stakeholders that ordinarily would have fared as well or better under the bankruptcy laws.
The original stockholders were screwed to the wall by this administration, and the taxpayers will take years to recoup their investment if they ever do so,....but the labor unions are free to do as they please and are whistling to the bank with their loot.
Gotta love this anti-business, pro-labor administration.
Agreed, unions have become the favored child of 0bama, especially public sector unions for states, who have been getting billions in bailouts that never need to be paid back.
Chrysler debt holders got royally screwed in favor of the unions when that company went into bankruptcy. Face it, we will never see a return of the hundreds of billions this government is handing out to unions, all in the name of the fictitious idea of creating or saving jobs", meanwhile that same money is lost to the private sector for the real jobs they could have saved or created.
You realize those Unions, are made up of a lot of American working people, right?
So it makes the theft of taxpayer money, in order to line the pockets of unions, okay? Where are the buckets of money for my company, or my son's, or my brother's and sister's???
You do realize the GM shareholders were Americans too, right?
No he doesn't, because the bond holders were not a part of some sort of perverted socialist collective, and the unions are. Even though a lot of people invested their retirement money into Chrysler, and lost it all, the libs could care less, because its not their concern, or they just can't think that far into the concept of cause and effect.
None stop Union-bashing from the wing nuts is nothing new.
Especially on this forum.
No use even trying to talk to, or reason with them?
Just tell 'em to kiss-off, and go on to the next subject.
Ya, those "horrible" Big Three workers and all their benefits have built the middle class in America, making us the envy of the world. It would have been so much better for us if there were no unions so that we could compete with 3rd world nations on their level---put the kids to work in factories, bring back the 14 hour days, do without safety regulations and job security, etc., etc. I can't believe how many people in this country want us to enter the race to the bottom when it comes to manufacturing and life-style as we know it today.
The big three designed and manufactured great vehicles, and it was not until the financial and contractual demands by the UAW union turned those big three companies into a pension and benefits companies that also made cars and trucks. It was the insane union demands that folded up GM and Chrysler, and almost took Ford with them.
Explain to me how a company that makes a high quality product that is in demand, fails?? I'll tell you, unsustainable union demands.
None stop Union-bashing from the wing nuts is nothing new.
Especially on this forum.
No use even trying to talk to, or reason with them?
Just tell 'em to kiss-off, and go on to the next subject.
Steve
Unions can provide a good service by keeping greedy corrupt bosses from mistreating their employees like expendable assets. But too often these unions get greedy and they choke the life out of the golden goose.
GM and the UAW is a perfect example of how a well meaning start ends in the destruction of the very hand that feeds you.
The public sector unions in the state of California have been working hand in glove with the democrat policy makers in the state house. The state increased benefits and salaries to the state union employees, and the union kicks back money and influence to reelect the same politicians who vote them goodies. Now the state on California in in debt for $500,000,000,000 in unfunded benefits and liabilities for the union.
The wingnutz are the people like you who close their eyes to greed and selfishness. You need to wake up and realize when a good thing becomes distorted and twisted into something that can bankrupt the largest companies in the world and one of the richest states in the country.
Blind allegiance to partisan politics without thinking makes people actually wish for the demise of their fellow Americans.
It's more about a selfishness that has been bred into the rightwing, and that some mythical pledge of self sufficiency causes American manufacturing jobs to disappear while banks that have raped those they loaned money to are "bailed out" for corporate abuses and financial mismanagement.
Guess which side of the aisle wants to decrease government oversight on those banks? Same one telling you GM should have gone under.
Government oversight does NOT equal "smaller government", and the corporatists have you shrieking for that too.
Selfishness and intellect. Or lack thereof.
I thought that the inflation of car prices caused by the unions was wrong for all of us when I was still a far left leaning Democrat. For some reason my attitude about that hasn't changed at all.
Government oversight does NOT equal "smaller government", and the corporatists have you shrieking for that too.
Selfishness and intellect. Or lack thereof.
"Corporatists" versus "collectivists"!!?? What side of history are you on? History demonstrates that "collectivists" have murdered tens of millions with the help of "government oversight"!!!!
History clearly conveys that "corporatists" boost the general welfare much better than "collectivists". Unless one is "selfish and lacking intellect", like the American left!
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