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And the bible was taken from several texts, some rejected, by a group of priests that Constantine ordered at the council of Nicea where the biblical cannon was first laid down.
The choose which books to include, which to exclude, and in what order to put them.
And John of Patmos was a loan nut living in a cave tripping shrooms.
Listen, I like the bible, lots of good stories and lessons in it, same with the Qu'ran, but to say that one is better than the other because its all in agreement, or less bloody, or less evil is an enormous fallacy.
EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
He is a God of Peace if you're at peace with him. If you cross him he will smite you.
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And the bible was taken from several texts, some rejected, by a group of priests that Constantine ordered at the council of Nicea where the biblical cannon was first laid down.
The Old Testament was written by several authors over the course of thousands of years well before Constantine. The New Testament Canon was largely compiled by around 100 AD.
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The choose which books to include, which to exclude, and in what order to put them.
They were chosen, yes. The ones excluded were obvious forgeries, like the "gospel" of Thomas.
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And John of Patmos was a loan nut living in a cave tripping shrooms.
John of Patmos was the disciple John, who also wrote the Gospel of John and 1,2,3 John. He was exiled to Patmos.
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Listen, I like the bible, lots of good stories and lessons in it, same with the Qu'ran, but to say that one is better than the other because its all in agreement, or less bloody, or less evil is an enormous fallacy.
I honestly doubt you really know what you're talking about, to be honest.
The Bible records things that happened---it doesn't tell Christians to carry out the violence.
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Just wanted to repost this in response to this line.
As far as "These were written for the ancient israelites" thing, I guess the 10 commandments, the fact that Jesus said that you should follow his fathers laws (meaning the laws of Moses), and countless other statements by Christians professing their following of the old testament law (such as homosexuality, which isn't mentioned in the new testament, I guess it was fine then).
You're picking and choosing what to follow. The same thing could be done with the Qu'ran, and usually are. Most Muslims don't follow the Qu'ran to the letter. Zealot Muslims want it to be followed to the letter, and will kill to do so. Zealot Christians want the same thing, and have killed and still kill for the same thing.
The real way to look at this is that zealots are bad in religion, period.
"Every living substance that I have made will I destroy." Genesis 7:4
God kills 70,000 people because of Davids mistake (1 Chronicles 21:9-14 WEB)
The bible tells people to kill non believers.
Deuteronomy 17
If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Need I continue?
The bible is just as bloody and evil and written by lunatics, just like the Qu'ran
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The Bible records things that happened---it doesn't tell Christians to carry out the violence. Those commands were given to ancient Israel, not modern-day Christians. There is a difference.
Exactly.... Bible is largely a history book, as well.
Lets face it, a set of ideas and beliefs which favor one specific group of people as having favor with an omnipotent being that created the entire universe. Of course each group believes it is them and that their teachings and interpretations are superior to that of others, because after all, God favors them, it says so right here in the texts we chose to believe.
I once had a dream about a magic frog that lived in an supernatural log in the enchanted forest and from the wood of this mystical log, he created paper and on the paper he wrote THE definitive word of God, to which he gave to me. On this scroll it says, I'm the sole speaker for God on earth and that I and my descendent's are the chosen people of God. If you send me 20 bucks and a self addressed envelope, I'll adopt you into my family and send you a personalize scroll showing that the prophet for God, me, has now included you as one of the chosen ones. It entitles all holders to the special privileges and entitlements of my religion, so long as you offer me 10% of your gross yearly income as a sign of faith.
Unlike all the other world's Gods, I will listen to your prayers each Sunday during the football game, I'll flip a coin and pick the winner, giving you a 50/50 chance.
The way I see it the Bible is a book with the implicit suggestion that you should kill or convert anyone who disagrees with you, the Koran has the explicit suggestion you should do aforementioned.
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