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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
wow , were to start
1. welfare (and QUALIFYING for it) is based on income/assets....a family of 6 can still earn 45k and qualify for SOME services (daycare help, and food stamps)and the more kids the higher you are allowed to earn, and the more bennies you can get
2 a women with diabetes who is pregnant, AUTOMATICLY qualifies for WIC
3. wrong..the AVERAGE worker is a GS9 who makes between 45-55k....the story you heard was that since omaba there have been MORE employees (executive level) that earn over 150k
even a gs13 (average SUPERVISOR) only earns between 70-90k
4 a debt is a POSSIBLE credit IF you can count on it eing paid back...we currently have a 14 trillion dollar debt...do you realy want to count that as a credit????, who is paying it??? ...wow a 14 trillion cre$dit,,,GEEE NOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN SPEND more......
I understand they balanced the budget which would mean they have 14 trillion in assets some where. One side has to equal the other side in order for there to be a balance total in the end. Tell me when you balance your check book do you say, that's a possible credit?
Also, recheck those numbers in the earnings and qualifications for assistance. To win that argument, find the document that says its true. Better yet, go to your local food stamp office and apply...they'll tell you real quick, not needy enough.
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"It Can't Rain All The Time"
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If that was all they did, sustain life, I would agree with you. But what in fact has actually happened is that those programs incentivize thegrowthof government dependency - witness the welfare women's birth rate of 3 times that of everyone else. That's not 'sustaining life,' that's growing dependency.
That has to stop. Will Obama step up to the plate on that?
Yes that is what they do, they sustain life. Any one with a growing dependency on them, they are facing a personal problem which is a whole other issue in its self.
When income tax was established the government began to grow. Obama is just picking up where the Bush Administration left off and those before them and so, on and so on...until we now have more government agencies sucking up the income tax and the people of the U.S. have yet to put a stop to it.
The optimal level of federal government spending is about 17.6 percent of GDP. Beyond this point, the resources consumed by government impose more costs on the economy than benefits.
The Impact of the Welfare State on the American Economy (http://www.house.gov/jec/welstate/vg-1/vg-1.htm - broken link)
Yes that is what they do, they sustain life. Any one with a growing dependency on them, they are facing a personal problem which is a whole other issue in its self.
No. You misunderstand. Those programs don't just 'sustain' life, they grow the numbers of those dependent on government by incentivizing reproduction among those receiving public assistance. More births = more and better benefits for the mother and her children. The birth rate is 3 times that of everyone else.
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No. You misunderstand. Those programs don't just 'sustain' life, they grow the numbers of those dependent on government by incentivizing reproduction among those receiving public assistance. More births = more and better benefits for the mother and her children. The birth rate is 3 times that of everyone else.
People seem to be hung up on that rather than resources consumed by government. Ergo houston we have a problem.
If they qualify and spend does that not boost sales and drive the cost of products down?
People seem to be hung up on that rather than resources consumed by government. Ergo houston we have a problem.
If they qualify and spend does that not boost sales and drive the cost of products down?
No, because that money is stripped out of the economy to provide to them to spend. It necessarily reduces the spending of those from whom it was stripped (taxpayers). Do you not understand that?
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No, because that money is stripped out of the economy to provide to them to spend. It necessarily reduces the spending of those from whom it was stripped (taxpayers). Do you not understand that?
Explain it to me.
This is what I know. The taxes get paid. A percentage of the money budgets in to pay the employees of the Human Resource Department, as well as, additional sundry items used within the department. The HR then distributes another percentage of the money to those who qualify.
Those who qualify then takes that money, (food stamp card or health care card) and purchase food or health care, which puts the percentage they receive back into the mainstream markets. Since the demand for product is being met the supply for that product goes up, which causes the cost of the product sold to be reduced.
Those who are not on assistance see the benefit of food stamp recipients through the cost of a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread each time we visit the market. If we think the cost of groceries are high now, imagine what the cost would be if there were less purchases of those items. (i.e. no food stamps, no tax dollars going to purchase those items)
We're not talking about putting shingles on a house here.
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There are things it can do to enhance the functioning of an economy, such as providing for the common defense, establishing a legal framework for resolving disputes, constructing a basic infrastructure, and supervising some minimum safety net. These are the positive benefits of government. However, they can be substantially negated if it expands inordinately. Excessive taxation, over-regulation, profligate spending and special favors for privileged interest groups may have a negative effect on the growth of the productive sector.
The Impact of the Welfare State on the American Economy (http://www.house.gov/jec/welstate/vg-1/vg-1.htm - broken link)
To think that excessive taxation of monies means only the welfare department, no one is seeing the expansion of the government:
The wealthy person's money by way of TAFTA and other means, is going over seas internationally. It sees very little if any income tax. (research behavioral tax analysis)
The middle class is going away by way of redefinition of wealth. The middle class will then be the poor man. Eligibility to food stamp and health care, probable.
If government is continued to be allowed to grow, then folks are either going to be working as an employee of the fed or on assistance. (the wealthy man?, do not touch the wine, it's biblical, but it fits).
PS: There is only one place the tax dollar for food stamps can go and that is to purchase food. How does that strip the economy?
Last edited by Ellis Bell; 12-15-2010 at 12:04 AM..
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...PS: There is only one place the tax dollar for food stamps can go and that is to purchase food. How does that strip the economy?
What do you think taxes are? They are money stripped out of the economy that could have been used for consumer spending or investment, which is stimulative. Instead, that money is filtered through bureaucratic government, which destroys $1.10 worth of economic growth for every $1 it taxes and spends.
Fewer people in the dependent class means less money filtered through the government to pay their expenses. That means fewer dollars are subject to the government's $1.10 destruction of of economic growth.
The fact that welfare women have 3 times the birth rate of everyone else means that the destruction of the economy caused by government taxing and spending will increase exponentially. That needs to stop. Stop incentivizing additional governement dependent births.
"People that spend all their corn to defend their cornfields will soon not have any corn to defend."
Spending on unnecessary military adventures is not a productive use of money. Investing overseas is not a productive use of money. Providing tax support for the wealthy is not a productive use of our money.
Reinvesting in our own domestic economy by supporting domestic energy development, education, industry and agriculture are productive and will yield more than they cost.
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"It Can't Rain All The Time"
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Originally Posted by InformedConsent
What do you think taxes are? They are money stripped out of the economy that could have been used for consumer spending or investment, which is stimulative. Instead, that money is filtered through bureaucratic government, which destroys $1.10 worth of economic growth for every $1 it taxes and spends.
Fewer people in the dependent class means less money filtered through the government to pay their expenses. That means fewer dollars are subject to the government's $1.10 destruction of of economic growth.
The fact that welfare women have 3 times the birth rate of everyone else means that the destruction of the economy caused by government taxing and spending will increase exponentially. That needs to stop. Stop incentivizing additional governement dependent births.
wow
PS: This is the reason our government continues to grow and will soon be the only place a person can find a job.
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