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Or companies pack up and move abroad. Run a correlation of the number of factories GM closed in the late 70s versus the number of GM factories that were opened in Mexico and Canada. The point was that outsourcing- God I really hate that word- is nothing new. Every few years people get all bent out of shape about it and act as if it just appeared last year and its so and so's fault. Puhleeeezzeeee! I don't like it, but to act as if its a new dynamic orchestrated by <insert politician's name) is ignorant.
Its called building the factories where the products are needed. Do you not think they sell cars in Mexico, Canada? Do you think they all ride bikes? Do you really think its all about cutting down labor costs? You'd think they'd spend hundreds of millions building a plant in Mexico to save $10M in labor? Really? The math doesnt work unless of course you include things like the cutting out of mandated benefits, mandated taxes, mandated procedures etc. If it was all about cutting labor they could stay here and just modernize the hell outta their business. I have one company that has zero employees.. I could move it anywhere. Yes I modernized so it didnt need any employees but I would have done so be it here in america, or if I was located in Mexico. I computerized to get rid of the headaches of employee maintenance.
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As for your second statement, yea whatever. Technology shrinks distances.
What else would it be? Even if you take the orthodox conservative argument that jobs are leaving because taxes are too high, that's still technically greed, ie: wanting to keep a larger share of the pie. Though it's greed some would argue is justified.
It all started with WTO and NAFTA. What's funny is Liberals and Progressives are all about "World Citizens" and want to do business with every nation on the planet, but at the same time want Americans to make more than everyone else in the world. How does this actually work? This attitude prices American workers right out of the market. That's why things are going overseas. You can't have it both ways. Kind of ironic that these same people are all for wealth redistribution, then complain that the middle class wealth is disappearing?!?! WTF?
What else would it be? Even if you take the orthodox conservative argument that jobs are leaving because taxes are too high, that's still technically greed, ie: wanting to keep a larger share of the pie. Though it's greed some would argue is justified.
No, its not greedy to want keep the rewards of your labor..
Greed is defined as strong desire for more: an overwhelming desire to have more of something such as money than is actually needed
Under that definition, isnt everyone greedy? Doesnt everyone desire to have more of SOMETHING? Do you consider that bad? Some want larger homes, some want a nicer car.. Heck some want a car to begin with because they dont have one.. Even the poor are greedy under this definition are they not? Dont they want more? Dont liberals stand here every day talking about how its not fair others have more than them? Sounds to me its the liberals being greedy.
Businesses on the other hand are simply reducing costs to increase profits but they do so not as a desire to have more, but as a desire to be better.. Produce better, have a better bottom line. In fact corporations have an obligation to do their best to maximize rewards. Thats not greed, thats fufilling an obligation.
I dont continue to buy more buildings for example out of greed. I dont expand my internet companies out of greed. I do because its my personal enjoyment to build and see things getting done. I love it when a plan comes through and a deal gets done, when a sale gets done, it has little to do with the profits generated. (or lack of profits if you read my posting the other day)
The result might be the same, which is more profit, but definately the motivation is different.
It all started with WTO and NAFTA. What's funny is Liberals and Progressives are all about "World Citizens" and want to do business with every nation on the planet, but at the same time want Americans to make more than everyone else in the world. How does this actually work? This attitude prices American workers right out of the market. That's why things are going overseas. You can't have it both ways. Kind of ironic that these same people are all for wealth redistribution, then complain that the middle class wealth is disappearing?!?! WTF?
What's also funny is that free market capitalists favour the free movement of capital but don't also favour the other requisite free movement of labour, which would necessitate much more lax immigration laws. Capitalism is just as theoretically internationalist as its inverse.
No, its not greedy to want keep the rewards of your labor..
Greed is defined as strong desire for more: an overwhelming desire to have more of something such as money than is actually needed
Under that definition, isnt everyone greedy? Doesnt everyone desire to have more of SOMETHING? Do you consider that bad? Some want larger homes, some want a nicer car.. Heck some want a car to begin with because they dont have one.. Even the poor are greedy under this definition are they not? Dont they want more? Dont liberals stand here every day talking about how its not fair others have more than them? Sounds to me its the liberals being greedy.
Businesses on the other hand are simply reducing costs to increase profits but they do so not as a desire to have more, but as a desire to be better.. Produce better, have a better bottom line. In fact corporations have an obligation to do their best to maximize rewards. Thats not greed, thats fufilling an obligation.
I dont continue to buy more buildings for example out of greed. I dont expand my internet companies out of greed. I do because its my personal enjoyment to build and see things getting done. I love it when a plan comes through and a deal gets done, when a sale gets done, it has little to do with the profits generated. (or lack of profits if you read my posting the other day)
The result might be the same, which is more profit, but definately the motivation is different.
I'm not saying this desire to have more is necessarily a bad thing. I was just confused as to what you meant when you said greed isn't it, as though the desire for more money was subordinate to some other motivation that didn't have to do with keeping more profit.
What's also funny is that free market capitalists favour the free movement of capital but don't also favour the other requisite free movement of labour, which would necessitate much more lax immigration laws. Capitalism is just as theoretically internationalist as its inverse.
Has nothing to do with what I posted. Don't you find it ironic that even you yourself is b*tching and moaning about the middle class wealth disappearing but you support wealth redistribution? That's about as crazy and looney as it gets. You support it happening then complain about the outcome. Why?
The problem with greed is at some point it becomes irrational, it is not good enough to have more than the next person, it becomes the goal to have it all. At that point you leave the other people with little or nothing to loose and in so doing condemn yourself.
Then as the royal family just discovered, you find angry mobs, wanting your heads.
Has nothing to do with what I posted. Don't you find it ironic that even you yourself is b*tching and moaning about the middle class wealth disappearing but you support wealth redistribution? That's about as crazy and looney as it gets. You support it happening then complain about the outcome. Why?
Wealth distribution has been going on for the past 50 years. That is the problem. The working class are fed up with being robbed for the benefit of the rich.
I'm not saying this desire to have more is necessarily a bad thing. I was just confused as to what you meant when you said greed isn't it, as though the desire for more money was subordinate to some other motivation that didn't have to do with keeping more profit.
I dont think Warren Buffet for example continues to build wealth out of greed, do you? Donald Trump.. Nope.. Do you think Bill Gates continues to create new editions of Windows just so he can donate the profits? For some people, its the art of the deal.. Its the challenge of getting the impossible done. Its doing what others said couldnt be done.. Its the challenge, not the profit that motivates them.
Why else would billionaires take their whole life to obtain wealth only to give it away?
So if you are home shopping and you have two condos right next to one another, exactly the same.. You choose the more expensive on? I bet you dont. Why do you have different standards for corporations than you?
Poor comparison...
What corporations are doing is not in the best interest of the USA or it's people,it is however in the best interest of the corporation.
Thing is,some people here and in the gov. confuse the corporations best interests with the nations and it's people.
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So if you are home shopping and you have two condos right next to one another, exactly the same.. You choose the more expensive on? 
I bet you dont. Why do you have different standards for corporations than you?
