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Old 12-10-2010, 11:18 AM
 
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Several years ago, the country was plenty angry with President Bush. The issues were that he started the war in Iraq on false premises, approved torture, and the economy was sliding into a deep recession.

Now, there's plenty of anger aimed at President Obama. The issues are that he hasn't mended the economy yet, he bailed out the auto industry, and he wants all Americans to have better access to health care. In addition, there's anger from Glen Beck because Obama wants America's food supply to be safer. Also, the First Lady is catching flack for advocating better health for our kids by fighting childhood obesity.

I see a difference in these angers.

You?
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:01 PM
 
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Bush wasn't black.

No let the cries of......RACE CARD.....begin!!

Steve
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth Texas
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Several years ago, the country was plenty angry with President Bush. The issues were that he started the war in Iraq on false premises, approved torture, and the economy was sliding into a deep recession.

Now, there's plenty of anger aimed at President Obama. The issues are that he hasn't mended the economy yet, he bailed out the auto industry, and he wants all Americans to have better access to health care. In addition, there's anger from Glen Beck because Obama wants America's food supply to be safer. Also, the First Lady is catching flack for advocating better health for our kids by fighting childhood obesity.

I see a difference in these angers.

You?
Bush went to war with the backing of congress.
ABM also approves torture but instead of gitmo he turn them over to countries who will torture them. We have 9.8 unemployment and you think we are out of a recession. Tell this 9.8% how it is not a recession.
We have yearly deficits 3 times larger that Bushes largest. Obama and the Dem's want to have class warfare. Obama has apologized for the greatness of this country . He wants terrorists tried in civilian court where he knows they will get off. He is for a Mosque being built on ground zero.

Can you imagine what woudl happen if Japense Americans had wanted to build a Shinto temple at pear harbor?
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:46 PM
 
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ANGER: A comparison of the anti-Bush vs anti-Obama perspectives


Probably speaks to the folly of antagonizing a Nation that includes typical white persons, who bitterly cling to guns or religion, where the police acted stupidly, and are critical of Presidents who bow to Saudi Kings, and balk at the foisting of 2000+ pages of unread social engineering, after promises to go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely, and become irked with the repeated reward of cabinet positions to those with Tax evasion issues, and file suit on beleaguered States for defending their border while promoting Muslim "rights" to build near fresh wounds, and increasing taxes on US citizens while rewarding illegal immigrant scofflaws, and focusing on Gays in the Military as the economy disappears further in the quicksand....ad nauseum
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Old 12-10-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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Bush went to war with the backing of congress.
ABM also approves torture but instead of gitmo he turn them over to countries who will torture them. We have 9.8 unemployment and you think we are out of a recession. Tell this 9.8% how it is not a recession.
Interesting how you read, "he hasn't mended the economy yet."

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We have yearly deficits 3 times larger that Bushes largest.
Check this out since you're obviously unaware...

CHART OF THE DAY: Reminder, The Deficit You're Freaking Out About Is Bush's Fault

Of course, you are cognizant of the fact that Bush kept the costs of his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan "off-budget" so they wouldn't officially be considered part of his deficit, right? Obama straightened out that shylock accounting. Only the dumbest would call those costs Obama's.

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Obama and the Dem's want to have class warfare.
Prove it.

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Obama has apologized for the greatness of this country .
Again, prove it. Show once case where he apologized for America's greatness.

One.

The ball's in your court.

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He wants terrorists tried in civilian court where he knows they will get off. He is for a Mosque being built on ground zero.

Can you imagine what woudl happen if Japense Americans had wanted to build a Shinto temple at pear harbor?
Where's your head?
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Old 12-10-2010, 01:01 PM
 
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Interesting how you read, "he hasn't mended the economy yet."

Check this out since you're obviously unaware...

CHART OF THE DAY: Reminder, The Deficit You're Freaking Out About Is Bush's Fault

Of course, you are cognizant of the fact that Bush kept the costs of his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan "off-budget" so they wouldn't officially be considered part of his deficit, right? Obama straightened out that shylock accounting. Only the dumbest would call those costs Obama's.

Prove it.

Again, prove it. Show once case where he apologized for America's greatness.



One.

The ball's in your court.

Where's your head?
. Apology to Europe: Speech in Strasbourg, France, April 3. “In America, there’s a failure to appreciate Europe‘s leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.”

2. Apology to the Muslim world: Interview with Al Arabiya, January 27. “My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect.”
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3. Apology to the Summit of the Americas: Address to the Summit of the Americas, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, April 17. “While the United States has done much to promote peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms.”

4. Apology at the G-20 Summit of World Leaders: News conference in London, April 2. “I just think in a world that is as complex as it is, that it is very important for us to be able to forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating solutions.”

5. Apology for the War on Terror: Speech in Washington, D.C., May 21. “Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. I believe that many of these decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people. But I also believe that all too often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight, that all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions.”

6. Apology for Guantanamo in France: Speech in Strasbourg, France, April 3. “In dealing with terrorism, we can’t lose sight of our values and who we are. That’s why I closed Guantanamo. That’s why I made very clear that we will not engage in certain interrogation practices. I don’t believe that there is a contradiction between our security and our values. And when you start sacrificing your values, when you lose yourself, then over the long term that will make you less secure.”

7. Apology for America before the Turkish Parliament: Speech to the Turkish Parliament, Ankara, Turkey, April 6. “The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history. Facing the Washington Monument that I spoke of is a memorial of Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed those who were enslaved even after Washington led our Revolution. Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native Americans.”

8. Apology for U.S. Policy toward the Americas: Editorial “Choosing a Better Future in the Americas,” April 16. “Too often, the United States has not pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors. We have been too easily distracted by other priorities, and have failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas.”

9. Apology for the Mistakes of the CIA: Remarks to CIA employees at Langley, Va., April 29. “Don’t be discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we’ve made some mistakes.”

10. Apology for Guantanamo: Speech in Washington, D.C., May 21. “There is also no question that Guantanamo set back the moral authority that is America’s strongest currency in the world.”

Top 10 Obama Apologies - HUMAN EVENTS

Bush deficit
Bush Deficit vs. Obama Deficit in Pictures | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News.

If you beleive a 9.8% unempoyment is a mended economy you are showing true class warfare

ball was returnd game set match thanks for playing

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Old 12-10-2010, 01:16 PM
 
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. Apology to Europe: Speech in Strasbourg, France, April 3. “In America, there’s a failure to appreciate Europe‘s leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.â€

2. Apology to the Muslim world: Interview with Al Arabiya, January 27. “My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect.â€



3. Apology to the Summit of the Americas: Address to the Summit of the Americas, Port of Spain, Trinidad and Tobago, April 17. “While the United States has done much to promote peace and prosperity in the hemisphere, we have at times been disengaged, and at times we sought to dictate our terms.â€

4. Apology at the G-20 Summit of World Leaders: News conference in London, April 2. “I just think in a world that is as complex as it is, that it is very important for us to be able to forge partnerships as opposed to simply dictating solutions.â€

5. Apology for the War on Terror: Speech in Washington, D.C., May 21. “Unfortunately, faced with an uncertain threat, our government made a series of hasty decisions. I believe that many of these decisions were motivated by a sincere desire to protect the American people. But I also believe that all too often our government made decisions based on fear rather than foresight, that all too often our government trimmed facts and evidence to fit ideological predispositions.â€

6. Apology for Guantanamo in France: Speech in Strasbourg, France, April 3. “In dealing with terrorism, we can’t lose sight of our values and who we are. That’s why I closed Guantanamo. That’s why I made very clear that we will not engage in certain interrogation practices. I don’t believe that there is a contradiction between our security and our values. And when you start sacrificing your values, when you lose yourself, then over the long term that will make you less secure.â€

7. Apology for America before the Turkish Parliament: Speech to the Turkish Parliament, Ankara, Turkey, April 6. “The United States is still working through some of our own darker periods in our history. Facing the Washington Monument that I spoke of is a memorial of Abraham Lincoln, the man who freed those who were enslaved even after Washington led our Revolution. Our country still struggles with the legacies of slavery and segregation, the past treatment of Native Americans.â€

8. Apology for U.S. Policy toward the Americas: Editorial “Choosing a Better Future in the Americas,†April 16. “Too often, the United States has not pursued and sustained engagement with our neighbors. We have been too easily distracted by other priorities, and have failed to see that our own progress is tied directly to progress throughout the Americas.â€

9. Apology for the Mistakes of the CIA: Remarks to CIA employees at Langley, Va., April 29. “Don’t be discouraged that we have to acknowledge potentially we’ve made some mistakes.â€

10. Apology for Guantanamo: Speech in Washington, D.C., May 21. “There is also no question that Guantanamo set back the moral authority that is America’s strongest currency in the world.â€

Top 10 Obama Apologies - HUMAN EVENTS
You're dodging.

Please point out the term "apologize" in any of the examples you posted.

Just one will do.

You're not paying attention. Bush deficit doesn't include costs of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama deficit does.

Only the dumbest would equate the two in any fashion other than blatant partisan spin. And that stuff's worth diddly.

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If you beleive a 9.8% unempoyment is a mended economy you are showing true class warfare
Read this again. Please.

he hasn't mended the economy yet

Third time might be the charm, as they say.

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ball was returnd game set match thanks for playing


What you said.
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Old 12-10-2010, 01:19 PM
 
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You're dodging.

Please point out the term "apologize" in any of the examples you posted.

Just one will do.



You're not paying attention. Bush deficit doesn't include costs of Iraq and Afghanistan.

Obama deficit does.

Only the dumbest would equate the two in any fashion other than blatant partisan spin. And that stuff's worth diddly.



Read this again. Please.

he hasn't mended the economy yet

Third time might be the charm, as they say.




What you said.
You did not pay attention or dodge the issue game is over i won
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Old 12-10-2010, 02:03 PM
 
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Of course, you are cognizant of the fact that Bush kept the costs of his wars in Iraq and Afghanistan "off-budget" so they wouldn't officially be considered part of his deficit, right? Obama straightened out that shylock accounting. Only the dumbest would call those costs Obama's.
Funding for Iraq and Afghanistan came in separate bills, all wars have been funded that way. Even though they did not appear in the budget submitted by the president, they do appear in the end of the year deficit figures. In a similar situation, Obama's stimulus bill passed in February 2009; it did not appear on budget because it was passed as an appropriation and not as part of the budget. However, at the end of the year the deficit figures reported included the stimulus funding.

Pretty simple actually.
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Old 12-10-2010, 03:41 PM
 
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You did not pay attention or dodge the issue game is over i won

I accept your concession.
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