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In his classic novel "1984", George Orwell describes a nation in which a totalitarian government rules in all matters to the extent that ones own perfectly logical thoughts, if not in line with official party positions, are thought crimes. At the time this novel was written, totalitarian Marxist-Leninist governments like the ones in Mao's China and Stalin's Russia had emerged to provided real world examples of Orwell's fictional - though hardly implausible - Oceania. In all cases, real or imagined, for the interests of those who govern to be placed before those of the individual, the logical thought process of the individual, to the degree possible, must be controlled. This is because the ideas used to justify all-powerful centralized governments are themselves logically flawed, self-contradictory and vulnerable to exposure as such. In the real world, as in Orwell's Oceania, top-down centralized government and individual thought compete and are mutually exclusive.
Today in America, gays self-identify as a third gender thereby making them fit neither of the already segregated genders within the military. With that in mind, we have now received a new directive from the PC social engineers that no problem exist with allowing this "third gender" to serve openly and unsegregated in barracks, restrooms and shower facilities though seperation of males and females for these purposes has aways been the policy of the military and will continue. As the left has done in so many totalitarian states in the past, those who carry the torch of statism in the US today have fought tooth and nail to force others to accept an idea that is obviously illogical and inconsistent with other equally supported leftist concepts. They will likely get away with this breach of common sense because repeal of DADT and the new PC policy which will replace it will be forced onto the only citizens who have, for the purposes of military service, voluntarily given up their right to openly challenge the state's official positions. This means that for the social engineers on the left, the military has become their own Oceania in which truth is what they say it is and may be changed from time to time as fits new policies.
Of course, as in Oceana, other conflicting liberal whackadoodle concerns remain unchanged. A casual remark, compliment, look or smile, no matter how innocently intended, is still considered sexual harassment if taken by the recipient to be such. Gays who are as sexually excited by their own sex as heterosexuals are by the opposite sex will now be free to reveal their sexuality then dress and shower with heterosexuals who, while objecting to essentially being forced to perform a nude revue for gay service members, will still be required to get naked with them, but this shall in way be considered sexual harrassment. Furthermore, males and females will continue be segregated by gender with separate barracks, restrooms and showers since forcing females to shower with males would violate their rights. Finally, the PC thought police have concluded that anyone who points out the obvious glaring inconsistencies involved with sexual harassment laws, military gender segregation and gays openly serving in the military is a hater.
Today in PC America, two plus two equals five.
I don't really feel like getting into debates over nothing more than paranoia. I would like to point out though that George Orwell was a socialist himself. Orwell and the Spanish Revolution
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The Spanish war and other events in 1936-37 turned the scale and thereafter I knew where I stood. Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism, as I understand it.
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The other crucial dimension to Orwell's socialism was his recognition that the Soviet Union was not socialist. Unlike many on the left, instead of abandoning socialism once he discovered the full horror of Stalinist rule in the Soviet Union, Orwell abandoned the Soviet Union and instead remained a socialist — indeed he became more committed to the socialist cause than ever.
I don't really feel like getting into debates over nothing more than paranoia. I would like to point out though that George Orwell was a socialist himself. Orwell and the Spanish Revolution
Work : Essays : Why I Write // George Orwell // www.k-1.com/Orwell (http://www.k-1.com/Orwell/index.cgi/work/essays/write.html - broken link)
Mentally tough enough to be stripped of their dignity?
If you are unable to address what I actually wrote, don't respond. Claiming to have the inside track on what people like me believe is a childish argument.
Since the left has decided to force patriotic heterosexuals who have no desire to share showers, restrooms and barracks with homosexuals, straits who presently serve will leave the military in droves.
"Nearly 60 percent of those in the Marine Corps and in Army combat units said they thought repealing the law would hurt their units on the battlefield."
This is where the rubber meets the road and the reason this new policy will be a disaster.
Yep them their gays should shut their mouths and get back in the closet because it's making straight men uncomfortable. Let's not forget that these fears are silly, stupid, and full of paranoia. Their dignity is stripped because they have to take a shower with a gay guy who most likely has no interest in looking at him? I forgot that the gays are sex hungry predators that will sit outside the showers and masturbate to the straight guys showering. How is one's dignity ripped away by showering with a gay guy? Does that mean it's already happening since gay men are already showering with straight guys? Interesting that that these straight guys aren't traumatized by this horrible occurrence! Your fear mongering is silly and shows a lack of dignity, common sense, empathy, and intelligence. [mod cut -- rude/personal attack]
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Tell us all how happy you are with the new policy when reenlistment drops off and we have to go back to a military draft.
Please come back to reality when you have a chance......
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As I see it most of the potential for trouble is not gay soldiers checking out straight soldiers and bothering them that way, but rather gay soldiers openly checking out each other and so their actions offending the straight soldiers.
When I served, I was a field radio operator. As such, I worked for officers who routinely and purposefully withheld information from NCOs and Staff NCOs under them. As a LCpl, I had staff NCOs asking me what we were going to do so they could prepare. The reason the officers were so stingy with information was to keep the marines under them constantly adjusting to an unknown and ever changing situation and thinking ahead. It's good training for all involved. For this reason and many others, knowing what is going on is one of the things individuals enlisting in the military knowingly and voluntarily give up in order to serve. I have already made the connection between the voluntary loss of freedoms and rights our military personnel subject themselves to and the involuntary loss of freedoms in totalitarian societies. To now say the policy of DADT military personnel voluntarily agreed to abide by is in some way equivalent to the historical revisionism of Minitrue just goes to show someone isn't paying attention.
The point which was apparently lost on you is while DADT requires intentional ignorance, to attempt to simultaneously support sexual harassment policies, gender segregation in military barracks, restrooms and open bay showers and gays openly serving in the military requires doublethink.
Right, so we agree that the reality of the situation is that the objectionable, to you and others, acts (gays and straights showering together) are *already* taking place and that DADT is only enabling the straight folks' fallacy that it is NOT happening?
Reality is scary, let's make stuff up in order to soothe our feelings/insecurities. Is that it? Ignorance is bliss?
Excellent post.
Ignorance may be bliss, but ignorance on the part of some with regard to gays serving in the military is willful, and woeful.
What I don't understand - really, I don't - is why so many of my fellow straight males are so petrified of gay males. I really don't get that, and yet I think that is the very foundation upon which so much of this vitriol is based.
Heterosexual service members being forced to dress and shower with openly gay persons is the issue. The inconsistency of liberal PC witch hunts for sexual harassers and forcing straits to shower with gays is the issue.
First let me blow your whole fallacy out of the water! Are you saying Gay service members can't restrain themselves? You know gays have taste too so how is it any different than straight people who serve and are attracted to the opposite sex?
Do you think all gay men are like some rabid dogs who just think about having sex 24/7?
This isn't about liberals anyways! If the miltary can't handle openly gay soldiers I fear what they couldn't handle! Like terrorists!
PS! I don't know of any sane Gay person who would want to serve in a homophobic institution like the US Military!
Why not just have co-ed restrooms, showers, locker rooms, etc.?
People are right, having a gay surrounded by hot muscular naked men doesn’t mean he will jump them, right? They can control themselves specially if they are surrounded by people. Well, a guy could control himself too if he was surrounded by women. Being surrounded by women doesn’t mean he will act like a maniac and attack all women around him. Co-ed is the way to go if gays will be accepted in the military.
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