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Old 01-07-2011, 03:57 PM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Gene,

If they had read the version you're arguing they should have, you'd be proclaiming them racists, against women's suffrage, etc.

No matter what they did, you would find a fault with it. Anybody with an (R) next to their name cannot do anything that you agree with, no matter what. They could do A and you would say they should have done B. The next day, they could do B and you would say that A or C was the right thing to do.

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Ah, no. If they had read the complete Constitution rather than the abridged version they chose to read, I would not be "proclaiming them racists, against woman's suffrage, etc." I didn't see that any purpose would be served by reading the Constitution aloud other than publicity, and so I would object to the reading as a waste of time (taxpayer's time, and money, BTW). All I'm saying is, if they were determined to read it, why not read the whole thing?

Personally, I don't see anything in the Constitution as originally written and amended to be afraid of - it is what it is, and to pretend otherwise is silly.
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Old 01-07-2011, 10:57 PM
 
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Ah, no. If they had read the complete Constitution rather than the abridged version they chose to read, I would not be "proclaiming them racists, against woman's suffrage, etc." I didn't see that any purpose would be served by reading the Constitution aloud other than publicity, and so I would object to the reading as a waste of time (taxpayer's time, and money, BTW). All I'm saying is, if they were determined to read it, why not read the whole thing?

Personally, I don't see anything in the Constitution as originally written and amended to be afraid of - it is what it is, and to pretend otherwise is silly.
This is amazing. It wasn't the "abridged" version (there is no such thing). It was the "as amended" version. I am curious, do you have anything whatsoever worthwhile to say?
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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Ah, no. If they had read the complete Constitution rather than the abridged version they chose to read, I would not be "proclaiming them racists, against woman's suffrage, etc." I didn't see that any purpose would be served by reading the Constitution aloud other than publicity, and so I would object to the reading as a waste of time (taxpayer's time, and money, BTW). All I'm saying is, if they were determined to read it, why not read the whole thing?

Personally, I don't see anything in the Constitution as originally written and amended to be afraid of - it is what it is, and to pretend otherwise is silly.

Ummm, they did read the whole thing. Oh. You wanted them to read the parts that were changed. Why? Do you want them to read read every draft as well?
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:13 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Is this article right? That the masterful political maneuver dreamed up by Congressional Republicans - the reading aloud of the Constitution - was an incomplete reading, leaving out some very interesting parts?

If they can't get this right - a simple reading of the ENTIRE Constitution - how badly are they going to screw things up legislatively?

Never mind - it's a rhetorical question.

Notable passages of Constitution left out of reading in the House
I guess no one noticed that the omitted sections were parts that were either CHANGED by amendment or no longer pertinent.
Why read aloud a section that is no longer part of the compact?
"Ahem, please disregard the preceding section, that was deleted by Amendment XYZ..."

Here's an annotated Constitution with amended passages highlighted:
The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

Ignorance of the Constitution is at an all time high on C-D.
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:38 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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I am sure Nancy and Harry never even heard of the constitution so what is the beef here?

Someone is listening to Ed "Psycho Talk" Schultz again?
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:40 PM
 
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LOL, can't these dimwits do anything right? I would have thought they'd read the Constitution before they became, you know, lawmakers...
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Old 01-07-2011, 11:43 PM
 
Location: SARASOTA, FLORIDA
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LOL, can't these dimwits do anything right? I would have thought they'd read the Constitution before they became, you know, lawmakers...

And to think Nancy and Harry wondered why we even have a constitution the way they tried to rip it apart.

Thank goodness we have the real Americans back in power.
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Old 01-08-2011, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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This is amazing. It wasn't the "abridged" version (there is no such thing). It was the "as amended" version. I am curious, do you have anything whatsoever worthwhile to say?
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Ummm, they did read the whole thing. Oh. You wanted them to read the parts that were changed. Why? Do you want them to read read every draft as well?
Take a step back, and imagine your reaction if it was a Democratic rather than Republican idea to skip over parts of the original Constitution. I'd imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth would be very impressive.

I have a pocket-sized copy of the Constitution that was distributed by my employer some years ago. It has the complete original text as well as all the amendments. It is, in fact, a copy of the complete Constitution. Anything less, anything with text removed, is incomplete.

Even online, the top hits from a Google search reveal websites with complete text.

Constitution of the United States - Official

The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute

When the Constitution is amended, no one goes back and erases the text that has been amended. The original text remains, and a notation is given that the selected text has been changed via an amendment.

Go to the National Archives in Washington and view the document for yourself, as I have done several times. The Republicans chose to disregard several sections of the original document, but without seeing/hearing the original text, a person unfamiliar with the Constitution would have no way of knowing why the section was amended.

Talk about ripping apart the Constitution!
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