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View Poll Results: Do you support legislation to view an ultrasound before an abortion?
Yes, they need to see it and I hope it reduces the number of abortions 38 24.68%
No, I don't think it would make a difference in the number of abortions 7 4.55%
No, I don't want gov't interfering in this area or I support the right to choice 104 67.53%
Maybe/I don't care 5 3.25%
Voters: 154. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-08-2011, 09:35 AM
 
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I believe that any nation that forces a woman to keep a pregnancy she does not want, cannot afford, or will threaten her life should have better laws paying for childrens health care, better education, and better food options for children.

Additionally, the adoption process should be improved with more staff and better funding so adoptive families don't have to wait years to get through the process, or spend thousands of dollars. My wife and I are considering adoption, but the cost and the wait times are major deterrents.

Until then we are simply a nation of hypocrites that say a life only matters when its inside a uterus, even though it can't take care of itself for years once it gets out.

To the OP what would you tell rape victims? It does happen as much as the social conservatives like to downplay it.

What would you have told this woman had she been found pregnant and wanted an abortion?

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Old 01-08-2011, 09:42 AM
 
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I believe that any nation that forces a woman to keep a pregnancy she does not want, cannot afford, or will threaten her life should have better laws paying for childrens health care, better education, and better food options for children.

Additionally, the adoption process should be improved with more staff and better funding so adoptive families don't have to wait years to get through the process, or spend thousands of dollars. My wife and I are considering adoption, but the cost and the wait times are major deterrents.

Until then we are simply a nation of hypocrites that say a life only matters when its inside a uterus, even though it can't take care of itself for years once it gets out.

To the OP what would you tell rape victims? It does happen as much as the social conservatives like to downplay it.

What would you have told this woman had she been found pregnant and wanted an abortion?

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Old 01-08-2011, 09:52 AM
 
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Sen. Jack Westwood, the Erlanger Republican who chairs the committee, said the bill allows women the opportunity to decline to see the ultrasound if they choose not to view it.
So this is a problem again how? I still haven't heard a valid arguement how this interfers with "choice".
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:53 AM
 
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OP, congratulations on your pregnancy. I hope it is healthy and uneventful (in a good way).

I have to wonder why those who do not support ultrasound prior to abortion think it interfers with the woman's choice. Are they afraid that the pregnant woman, having more information and seeing the life growing inside of her, will change her mind? And if she does change her mind then isn't that her more educated "choice"? It would seem the pro-abortionists favor ignorance.
Because if you already plan to abort then you don't need a ultrasound. Who is going to pay for the ultrasounds?

I gave birth to three kids and I didn't have a ultrasound until the last month on one. None on the other and one towards the end on the last. You don't need them unless there is a problem.
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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So this is a problem again how? I still haven't heard a valid arguement how this interfers with "choice".
An ultrasound is medical procedure. Does the patient get to choose, or does the government? You seem to be in favor of the government doing so.
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:56 AM
 
Location: FL
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But, but..but how will government ever get bigger without interferring in women's lives???


Pathetic that women who are ignorant of what happens when they get pregnant ASSume other women are also that ignorant.


Pathetic that those anti-choice people dump so much hate on children when they're born..."No more government handouts, get government out of our lives, screw poor children I don't want MY money supporting them, no more handouts for the poor, Welfare is BIG government, no more big government, we want smaller government, .....let's FORCE women to have babies....".
Wonder if the anti-choice people have thought of what is going to happen if every one started putting the babies up for adoption. Who would pay for all the orphanages that we would need?
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Old 01-08-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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So this is a problem again how? I still haven't heard a valid arguement how this interfers with "choice".
Who's going to pay for the ultrasound? The mother? You could also argue that the right is trying to drive up the cost of an abortion and make it too expensive with needless procedures. Making something more expensive so someone may not be able to pay for it interferes with choice.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:02 AM
 
Location: NC
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So this is a problem again how? I still haven't heard a valid arguement how this interfers with "choice".
The bill is clearly crafted to interfere with a womans right to choose. Just the wording in the article suggests the intent is for the government to put pressure on women to decide in a particular way concerning how she should exercise her constitutional rights, and that is not something the government should do.
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:04 AM
 
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Wonder if the anti-choice people have thought of what is going to happen if every one started putting the babies up for adoption. Who would pay for all the orphanages that we would need?
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Who's going to pay for the ultrasound? The mother? You could also argue that the right is trying to drive up the cost of an abortion and make it too expensive with needless procedures. Making something more expensive so someone may not be able to pay for it interferes with choice.
Who will pay? The Anti-choicers of course!

They will gladly have their taxes raised to support even BIGGER government!!
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Old 01-08-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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A routine ultrasound before abortion is medically unnecessary. It would add to the cost, and is wasteful of resources, e.g. the ultrasound machine.
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